# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/421 "2022-02-27T18:37:16Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > As a guy that runs a couple of ADS-B reporting sites, the interesting thing is all about what we _can_ and _cannot_ see. American military planes can turn off ADS-B reporting any time they feel like it. So this AWACS is merrily broadcasting its location for the whole world to see. What’s out there that is _dark_ ? You beat me to this. I often look online to see what is leaving the base near me and many times they aren’t broadcasting. If you see assets on line it’s because they want to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/422 "2022-02-27T18:43:06Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You beat me to this. I often look online to see what is leaving the base near me and many times they aren’t broadcasting. If you see assets on line it’s because they want to be seen. Which makes the tankers an interesting message. What else is up there (or is implied to be up there)? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/423 "2022-02-27T19:09:17Z")
Putin’s comments about nuclear weapons indicate he is nuts. We cannot live in a world with him anywhere near a red button. It is time for a high-ranking officer to pump some lead into the guy. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/424 "2022-02-27T19:13:20Z")
Russia’s nuclear doctrine: > **[Putin Lied About His Nuclear Doctrine and Promised Russians That They Would...](https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/putin-lied-about-his-nuclear-doctrine-and-promised-russians-that-they-would-go-to-heaven)** > > The Russian President’s speech is always a demonstration of the emptiness of words—his own and other people’s. The only thing that matters is power. > Russia strengthened the language of its military doctrine in December, 2014. > > The unclassified portion of the document identifies NATO as the source of the primary threat to Russia’s security. On the subject of a nuclear strike, it says the following: > > “The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to an attack on Russia and/or its allies involving the use of nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the existence of the state itself is threatened. Decisions regarding the use of nuclear weapons are made by the President of the Russian Federation.” > > **In other words, Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to anything it interprets as aggression, whether or not the aggression involves nuclear weapons or even Russia itself.** In still plainer words, the Russian military doctrine provides for the possibility of a first nuclear strike Worrying, but hopefully Russian generals are sane and wouldn’t obey an order for the use of nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/425 "2022-02-27T19:37:03Z")
The financial cost of this war will be felt for a long time. Anyone seen news of American Companies divesting Russian assets? Britain and Norway have already begun the process . I’m concerned what this sell off will do to International markets. From The Guardian Live Feed > [@](#): > > As British business face pressure to untangle themselves from Russian links after the invasion of [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine), one of Britain’s biggest companies, BP, said on Sunday it had decided to exit its 19.75 % stake in Russian oil giant Rosneft. It is a significant move that could cost the company up to $25bn, according to figures in its own statement. > > BP chief executive Bernard Looney, who will step down from the Rosneft board with Bob Dudley, former chief executive, said the invasion “caused us to fundamentally rethink BP’s position with Rosneft.” > [@](#): > > Norway’s sovereign wealth fund will divest its Russian assets in response to Russia’s invasion of [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine), the Norwegian prime minister announced on Sunday. > > The $1.3tn sovereign wealth fund is the world’s largest. Its Russian assets, which include government bonds and shares in nearly 50 companies, were worth $2.83bn at the end of 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/426 "2022-02-27T19:40:18Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Putin’s comments about nuclear weapons indicate he is nuts. We cannot live in a world with him anywhere near a red button. It is time for a high-ranking officer to pump some lead into the guy. On Face the Nation today one of the people interviewed said he might detonate a small nuclear device in the middle of Siberia as a form of sabre rattling. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/427 "2022-02-27T19:51:17Z")
“Next man makes a move the n\_\_\_\_ gets it.” [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dQrrqf-YamA/hqdefault.jpg "Blazing Saddles- Welcome Sheriff") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQrrqf-YamA) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/428 "2022-02-27T20:06:57Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Putin’s comments about nuclear weapons indicate he is nuts. We cannot live in a world with him anywhere near a red button. It is time for a high-ranking officer to pump some lead into the guy. A coup would be the best thing for RUSSIA, too. A sane leader who immediately tells the West, “We want a ceasefire immediately and we’re pulling out of Ukraine” would have the West quite happily lifting sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/429 "2022-02-27T20:10:33Z")
Weren’t ‘cerebral haemorrhages’ a not-infrequent cause of death in the Soviet Union? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/430 "2022-02-27T20:34:34Z")
It’s good to see the sanctions are already working. I don’t think many people are feeling sorry for Putin’s rich ally. He’s neighbors with George Clooney in Italy. Vlad will get access back after the war ends and sanctions are lifted? > **[Prominent Putin propagandist rages on-air about losing Italian villas](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10557153/Prominent-Putin-propagandist-rages-live-TV-losing-Italian-villas-sanctions.html)** > > 'Is this the Iron Curtain?' said Vladimir Soloviev, on his late-night program after learning sanctions by Italian officials would hinder his access to a pair of properties he owns off Lake Como. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/431 "2022-02-27T20:45:09Z")
The mayor of Kyiv said the city is now completely encircled. However, bravely the Ukrainians have fought, quantity still has a quality all its own. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/432 "2022-02-27T20:46:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s good to see the sanctions are already working. > > I don’t think many people are feeling sorry for Putin’s rich ally. He’s neighbors with George Clooney in Italy. Vlad will get access back after the war ends and sanctions are lifted? > > [Prominent Putin propagandist rages on live TV about losing Italian villas because of sanctions | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10557153/Prominent-Putin-propagandist-rages-live-TV-losing-Italian-villas-sanctions.html) “is this the Iron Curtain”? Yes you stupid clownfuck. Your country is actively attacking another. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/433 "2022-02-27T20:53:42Z")
The mayor says he misspoke, they’re not yet surrounded: > ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/434 "2022-02-27T21:12:20Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The mayor of Kyiv said the city is now completely encircled. However, bravely the Ukrainians have fought, quantity still has a quality all its own. And the Russians have both quantity and quality on their side. Though to take a city Kyiv’s size is going to take a hell of a lot of bodies, if Ukrainians in the city choose to fight it out. No one, regardless of how good they are or how many they have wants to fight in a city like that. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/435 "2022-02-27T21:23:38Z")
Georgian oil tanker tells Russian ship to go f\*ck themselves. > **[Georgian oil tanker refuses to refuel Russian ship: 'You have oars — row'](https://www.rawstory.com/ukraine-russia-oil-tanker-problems/)** > > Voice Of America reporter Fatima Tils posted a video showing a Georgian oil tanker refusing to help refuel Russian ships. According to the video, the Russian ship asked to be refueled, begging, "Come on, let's leave politics aside." The Georgian ship... ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/436 "2022-02-27T21:33:10Z")
Looks like Turkey has seen the light (for sure this time). > **[Turkey Says War Exists in Black Sea, Allowing It to Block Russian Navy](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-02-26/card/uDQCa9dMZsNGZLQsfWYg)** > > Turkey’s foreign minister said Sunday that the situation in Ukraine had become a war, a legal distinction that paves the way for Ankara to potentially ban Russian warships from entering the Black Sea through a strategic chokepoint. > Turkey’s... I expect that to muck significantly with Russian logistics. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/437 "2022-02-27T21:36:35Z")
> invoking Article-19 of the Montreux Convention WOO-HOO !! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zUwEIt9ez7M/maxresdefault.jpg "Deep Purple - Smoke on the Water (Audio)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUwEIt9ez7M) [I’m invoking poetic license on some of the geography. Work with me] ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/438 "2022-02-27T21:41:36Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > Worrying, but hopefully Russian generals are sane and wouldn’t obey an order for the use of nuclear weapons. Russia actually first renounced its no-first-use nuclear policy in 1993. This returned it to parity with the US, which always reserved a first strike option to counter the anticipated Soviet use of overwhelming conventional forces in Europe. With Russia renouncing their no-first-use policy, they were effectively conceding that they could no longer rely on overwhelming numbers of conventional forces for their military aims. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/439 "2022-02-27T21:45:51Z")
Haven’t read thread (_did_ use search, though) so apologies if already posted: (as a sort shadenfraude-y little respite…) > **[Kremlin website goes down as Russian TV channels ‘hacked to play Ukrainian...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kremlin-website-goes-down-russian-164621983.html)** > > Hacking collective Anonymous announced it was ‘at war with Russia’ hours before the outage Hopefully there’s one or two Ukraninan numbers that they like. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/440 "2022-02-27T21:48:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Weren’t ‘cerebral haemorrhages’ a not-infrequent cause of death in the Soviet Union? The traditional form of Russian government, tyranny moderated by periodic assignation. But if this all works out, if we do not blow up the world, this could be the last gasp of the Soviet Union as an ideal. Maybe, just maybe, Russia can become a normal country. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=23)