# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4465 "2022-04-13T15:39:46Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#):
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> Here we go. Finland should join NATO _tomorrow_ .
Looks like Finland and Sweden are giving it serious consideration. From the NYT live blog on Ukraine:
> In a rapid response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and in the face of Moscow’s warnings to NATO to stop its enlargement, Finland and Sweden are seriously debating applications for membership in the alliance and are widely expected to join.
> In Helsinki on Wednesday, Finland issued a formal “white paper” on the “fundamental changes in the security environment,” designed to inform parliamentary debate on the issue. Prime Minister Sanna Marin of Finland said a decision would be made “within weeks.”
> Standing beside her at a news conference in Stockholm, her Swedish counterpart, Magdalena Andersson, said, “There are of course pros and cons with being a member of NATO, as there are pros and cons of other security choices.” But she added, “I see no point in delaying this analysis or the process” over whether to join.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4466 "2022-04-13T15:44:23Z")
This is the best time for Finland to join NATO.
Russia’s forces are stretched thin in Ukraine. It would be foolish to open up a two front war. That’s the mistake Hitler made.
Finland should join NATO. ASAP
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### Author:  [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4467 "2022-04-13T16:16:22Z")
Agreed. Sweden should join as well. Have a joint ceremony with both of them admitting at the same time. Hopefully within the next month or so.
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### Author:  [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4468 "2022-04-13T16:17:57Z")
And their prime ministers saying in unison, “Putin, we’re lookin’ at _you!_”
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### Author:  [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4469 "2022-04-13T17:52:54Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#):
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> Sweden should join as well. Have a joint ceremony with both of them admitting at the same time.
Both governments have said that it’s got to be both or neither. There will be extensive negotiation between Finland and Sweden before they start talking to NATO and I doubt Sweden will commit before their election in September.
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### Author:  [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4470 "2022-04-13T18:17:11Z")
(Withdrawn)
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### Author:  [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4471 "2022-04-13T18:30:27Z")
I’m really pleased with the way Ukraine is handling the war right now. They seem to have resisted the urge to make a strong counter push into Eastern Ukraine. When the enemy is making a mistake do not interrupt them. The Russian army is struggling so let them continue to struggle. Too bad about Mariupol but it was somewhat inevitable. Hopefully, the Russian will treat their prisoners properly, but I fear that will not be the case.
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### Author:  [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4472 "2022-04-13T18:57:09Z")
Indeed. Let the Russians spend as much effort as possible on pointless tactics and measures. If Ukraine stops them now, it might save the Russians resources that would have been wasted on the pointless activity.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4473 "2022-04-13T19:15:10Z")
General Atomics may send some Reapers to Ukraine. Maybe they could fly out of Ukrainian airstrips but be flown by American controllers in Nevada?
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### Author:  [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4474 "2022-04-13T19:19:24Z")
The Deputy Mayor, Serhiy Orlov, told the BBC that Ukrainian troops there were still fighting in Mariupol.
Contradictory messages from Russia and Ukraine, so I guess we still have to wait for the situation to become clear.
> **[Ukraine war: Mass surrender of troops in Mariupol, says Russia](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61092953)**
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> Russia says more than 1,000 marines in the besieged port have surrendered - but Ukraine denies this.
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### Author:  [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4475 "2022-04-13T19:58:33Z")
> BlockquoteWhen the enemy is making a mistake do not interrupt them. The Russian army is struggling so let them continue to struggle
Perhaps I haven’t followed the news very closely in recent days, but what mistake (apart from deciding to invade to begin with) is Russia currently committing? I was under the impression there’s a lull in the action as they are reorganizing and resupplying units so that they could start a new assault in the east relying on fewer axes of attack, shorter supply lines, and more favorable terrain for armored assaults.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4476 "2022-04-13T20:01:55Z")
The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, has been seriously damaged by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4477 "2022-04-13T20:40:41Z")
CNN: [Biden unveils $800 million security package for Ukraine in call with Zelensky](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/13/politics/ukraine-security-assistance-biden/index.html)
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> The US is providing Ukraine with 11 Mi-17 helicopters, 300 Switchblade drones, 18 Howitzers and protective equipment to guard against chemical attacks in the latest batch of security assistance approved by the White House, the Pentagon announced. In addition, the new weapons package includes 200 M113 armored personnel carriers, 10 counter-artillery radars, 500 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 30,000 sets of body armor and helmets.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4478 "2022-04-13T20:51:48Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, has been seriously damaged by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles.
A damaged ship should make the Russians think twice about shelling Odessa and other ports from the sea.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4479 "2022-04-13T20:53:10Z")
Wiki is doubtful that the report is true.
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### Author:  [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4480 "2022-04-13T20:57:54Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#):
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> The Deputy Mayor, Serhiy Orlov, told the BBC that Ukrainian troops there were still fighting in Mariupol.
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> Contradictory messages from Russia and Ukraine, so I guess we still have to wait for the situation to become clear.
I think that’s the third time Russia has claimed they have surrendered just this week.
ETA: This will make things interesting. How reliable is ExpressCoUk?
> **[: Putin declares war on US and NATO](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1595300/ukraine-war-live-russia-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelensky-NATO-latest)**
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> RUSSIA will view the transporting of weapons on Ukrainian territory by the US and NATO as "legal military targets," according to reports.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4481 "2022-04-13T21:02:20Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva, has been seriously damaged by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles.
Just a rumor at this point, but hopefully it’s true.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4482 "2022-04-13T21:03:23Z")
The Forbes article cited by Wikipedia says:
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> The first full division of Neptune ASMs — six launchers with 72 missiles and supporting radars - is scheduled to reach front-line forces on Ukraine’s southern coast this spring.
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> The first full Neptune division should enter service in April, Adm. Oleksiy Neizhpapa, head of the navy, said in December.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4483 "2022-04-13T21:12:19Z")
Multiple Ukrainian officials have reported it, so it’s a higher level of veracity than rumor, but it has not been independently confirmed.
The Moskva was the Russian ship involved in the legendary Snake Island “Russian warship, go f\*\*\* yourself” incident.
[ ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQMIX6XEAouNBM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4484 "2022-04-13T21:21:23Z")
Are you saying the Moskva got stamped?
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