# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4525 "2022-04-14T03:39:25Z")
I haven’t seen any _recent news_ about Ukraine’s Navy. Are they sheltering in a foreign port?
Janes report, a couple weeks before the war. Ukraines only Frigate, the _Hetman Sagaidachny,_ is undergoing repairs and modernisation at the Nubulon Shipbuilding plant.
They have a few other small ships. Nothing that could successfully fight the Russian navy.
> **[Ukrainian Navy: A force in distress](https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukrainian-navy-a-force-in-distress)**
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> The ongoing tensions between Russia, Ukraine, and NATO countries with regards to the increasing Russian Armed Forces buildup along the Ukrainian borders are an extension...
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4526 "2022-04-14T03:53:13Z")
Ukraine lost much of its navy in the invasion of Crimea in 2014, and more ships in the 2022 invasion:
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> As of 24 March 2014, all of the larger ships but one (the Ukrainian frigate _Hetman Sahaydachniy_) of the Ukrainian Navy were captured by the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
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> During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the frigate _Hetman Sahaidachny_ was scuttled by her crew and some one dozen or more other ships were reported captured or destroyed.
[ ](https://navyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2022/march/Ukrainian_frigate_Hetman_Sahaidachny_reportedly_scuttled.jpg)
_(Above)_ The scuttled Hetman Sahaidachny.
The Ukrainians basically have a handful of patrol boats and some other support ships, with nothing substantial.
> **[List of active Ukrainian Navy ships](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Ukrainian_Navy_ships)**
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> This is a list of vessels used by Ukrainian Navy. It includes main naval ships and cutters which are in service or were recently unlisted in the Ukrainian Navy as well as the auxiliary fleet, and lists ships' project numbers where a written class is unavailable or not notable – these are used by the designers to note each ship's type. As of December 2007, the Navy had 27 combat ships and cutters. Some 30 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, the main warships of the Ukrainian Navy are form
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4527 "2022-04-14T03:57:59Z")
Well, that explains why Ukraine’s Navy is not a factor.
Living next door to Russia is perilous. It will always be that way.
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### Author:  [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4528 "2022-04-14T04:11:27Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> Word of the sinking of the ship seems to be stemming from Russian social media: that a Bayraktar drone was used as a decoy to distract the ship’s anti-air capabilities, while Neptune missiles struck the port side of the ship; this caused the ship to roll, the crew evacuated and the ship sank in the rough weather conditions. That’s the rumor.
[would-be evil dictator]_Adds Ukraine to the list of small-to-medium countries that should not be invaded._[/would-be evil dictator]
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4529 "2022-04-14T04:43:34Z")
Hmmmm, smaller than I thought.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4530 "2022-04-14T04:50:47Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#):
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> Calling the _Admiral Kuznetsov_ a “fighting” ship is a bit of a stretch.
I’m guessing that you are referring to the fact that the _[Admiral Kuznetsov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov)_ (Russia’s only true aircraft carrier) has been out of service since the [2018 accident while it was in dry dock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov#Refit), and isn’t expected to be back to active duty before next year, at the earliest.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4531 "2022-04-14T04:51:43Z")
The ships aren’t to scale - a 59 m long boat looks bigger than a 186 m boat. One can read the ship lengths to see that the 186 m Moskva is fourth equal longest in the entire Russian navy.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4532 "2022-04-14T04:58:41Z")
This article is a week old. I learned the Moskva _doesn’t have_ land attack cruise missiles like newer warships. The Moskva has 64 S-300F _Rif_ air defense missiles.
Ukraine is a little safer with the Moskva out of service. But, the ships shelling the coastline are still in operation.
> **[Russia's Most Powerful Warship In The Black Sea Is Operating In A Pattern -...](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/russias-most-powerful-warship-in-the-black-sea-is-operating-in-a-pattern/)**
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> The Ukrainian Navy was no match for the massive concentration of Russian naval forces in the Black Sea. Yet Russia's most impressive warship there, the Slava class cruiser Moskva, has mostly remained out of sight. We can shine a light on what she has...
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4533 "2022-04-14T05:02:22Z")
The battlecruiser Admiral Nakhimov is also undergoing repair and refit. So it looks like there’s only one active Russian warship larger than the Moskva, which is the battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy, currently with the Northern Fleet in the Arctic.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4534 "2022-04-14T06:11:28Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> and isn’t expected to be back to active duty before next year, at the earliest.
Even when operational, back around 2016, its engines were so unreliable that it had to be accompanied by tugboats.
I’m not sure that they’ve finished the new dry dock yet. As you note, the last one sank. Not exactly the “fault” of the _Kuznetsov_, but it was the only dry dock large enough to refit the ship. We’ll see if the refit improves the engine situation.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4535 "2022-04-14T06:17:20Z")
> [@romansperson](#):
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> Russia’s Defense Ministry said hours later “a fire” on the ship had caused ammunition to explode, according to [the Russian state news agency Tass](https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14372453?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share)
“Nyet Ukrainski bomba. Eto bylo Comrade Ivan Ivanovich cigarettski dropski eto vyzvalo BOOM!”
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4536 "2022-04-14T06:18:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> They have a few other small ships. Nothing that could successfully fight the Russian navy.
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> [https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukrainian-navy-a-force-in-distress](https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukrainian-navy-a-force-in-distress)
You don’t need ships to fight ships.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4537 "2022-04-14T06:20:11Z")
Which reminds me, the PD-50 incident [prompted my favorite Russian disaster euphemism](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/10/russias-only-aircraft-carrier-damaged-as-its-floating-dry-dock-sinks/):
> Due to interruptions in the supply of electric power to the PD-50, the floating dock dived out in an off-design mode.
It seems that the _Moskva_ may have also dived out in an off-design mode, all the way to the bottom of the Black Sea.
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4538 "2022-04-14T06:39:46Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> “Nyet Ukrainski bomba. Eto bylo Comrade Ivan Ivanovich cigarettski dropski eto vyzvalo BOOM!”
As one who can speak Russian, I could nitpick this. But I won’t. It is understandable to all posters here, I’m sure. And it made me laugh out loud, and for that, I thank you. 🙂
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4539 "2022-04-14T07:14:14Z")
Nice. 👏
I like the tractor in the water.
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### Author:  [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4540 "2022-04-14T08:25:59Z")
Can I just say that not knowing military tactics, it seems like “Hey! Look over there! Tricked you and hit you from the other side” should be something that military people are prepared for.
in any case, if this ship really sank it makes me smile because “Russian warship, go f\*&% yourself” sums up the Ukrainian response to this entire Russian invasion pretty well to me.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4541 "2022-04-14T10:04:30Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> So to the Russian mindset, admitting to incompetence is better than acknowledging Ukrainian competence?
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> Do I have that right?
It would seem to be so.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4542 "2022-04-14T10:24:36Z")
[Ukraine is claiming they destroyed a Russian ship.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/crew-evacuates-russian-flagship-after-ukraine-boasts-of-missile-attack/ar-AAWcufl) I hope they’re right.
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### Author:  [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4543 "2022-04-14T12:26:05Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> “Nyet Ukrainski bomba. Eto bylo Comrade Ivan Ivanovich cigarettski dropski eto vyzvalo BOOM!”
word on russian media is that the Moscva successfully destroyed 2 ukr. rockets.
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### Author:  [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4544 "2022-04-14T12:28:35Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> You don’t need ships to fight ships.
is there a somewhat key learning in this war?
hugely expensive war assets are nowadays more of a burden than an asset to have?
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