# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
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### Author: ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5085 "2022-04-26T15:56:19Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1518977334950432769>

> <https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1518977399756673026>

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### Author: ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5086 "2022-04-26T16:15:12Z")

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The loss of the bridge over the Dniester Estuary is a significant loss.

Here’s another map. The blue line is the border with Moldova. You have to click for the map

Russia is getting smarter

> <https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1518927835737600000?s=20&t=bM2a49f4Ho3jNJ2bXt1qqg>

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### Author: ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5087 "2022-04-26T16:16:24Z")

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I think you mean that it would be, were that happen.

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### Author: ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5088 "2022-04-26T16:20:13Z")

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The bridge is closed for now. I expect another smart missile will finish the job.

The Russian’s know the coordinates.

Access isn’t an issue unless fighting breaks out in Moldova. But a few soldiers at a checkpoint can harass civilian traffic.

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### Author: ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5089 "2022-04-26T17:56:42Z")

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[Reposted from Wikipedia]

> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> In April 2022, during the [Russian invasion of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine), the ship was deployed after the [sinking of the guided missile cruiser _Moskva_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva).[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna#cite_note-4) The _Moskva_ sank 80 miles (130 km) off the coast from Odessa in 45 to 50 metres (148 to 164 ft) of water.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna#cite_note-5)[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna#cite_note-6) The size of the _Moskva_ , which sank in one piece, makes bringing it to the surface impractical. _Kommuna_ will reportedly assist in recovering weapons, bodies, and other sensitive material that foreign powers might be interested in.

How cool would it be if the _Kommuna_ was sunk, too! Probably not worth the effort, though.

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### Author: ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5090 "2022-04-26T18:04:44Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> How cool would it be if the _Kommuna_ was sunk, too!

Wouldn’t that depend on storm conditions? 😄

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5091 "2022-04-26T18:11:26Z")

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I think it would be a shame if _Kommuna_ were sunk, just because it’s almost 110 years old. Even though Russia is currently the bad guy, the ship itself is a piece of naval history.

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### Author: ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5092 "2022-04-26T18:18:22Z")

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Then it should be in a naval museum. If it’s being used by the Russians for military purposes, then it’s a legit target, history be damned.

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### Author: ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5093 "2022-04-26T18:20:01Z")

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100% accurate.

But I don’t think **Johnny** was saying it wasn’t a legit target.

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### Author: ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5094 "2022-04-26T18:46:30Z")

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Going back to the salvage ship Kommuna it’s hard to imagine a 100 year old ship surviving Russian maintenance. That’s actually impressive.

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### Author: ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5095 "2022-04-26T18:50:41Z")

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> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> This bridge is the only road crossing to southwestern Ukraine within Ukrainian territory. There is speculation that Russian and Transnistrian separatist forces might attack this area from the north, possibly combined with an amphibious attack from the sea.

Just fill it in with Russian tanks and install a smaller bridge.

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### Author: ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5096 "2022-04-26T18:53:35Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> But I don’t think **Johnny** was saying it wasn’t a legit target.

I was not. It would just be a shame if, being a legitimate target, it was lost to history.

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### Author: ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5097 "2022-04-26T19:23:06Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> It would just be a shame if, being a legitimate target, it was lost to history

But once it became a diving park, would it truly be lost to history?

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### Author: ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5098 "2022-04-26T19:52:52Z")

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Secretary-General of the United Nations António Guterres met with Putin in Moscow today:

[https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FFRSs6H3X0AE27Fb.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall](https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FFRSs6H3X0AE27Fb.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall)

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### Author: ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5099 "2022-04-26T20:09:04Z")

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It looks like a gigantic Monopoly board, even having a pile of Community Chest cards next to Putin who, of course, is about to move his train engine.

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### Author: ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5100 "2022-04-26T20:16:38Z")

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Putin looks like he’s trying to raise his hand and can’t.

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### Author: ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5101 "2022-04-26T20:23:12Z")

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That comically huge table is quite a hoot! Whatever Putin’s motivations are, he sure isn’t subtle about it.

I reject the suggestions that he fears COVID or a potential assassination. Those are just silly. Considering that he recently met with Sergei Shoigu over an extremely small table, I think this is just a very stupid and blatant mind game: if I like you, small intimate table; if I think you’re an ass representing the Western powers, and have no interest in anything you have to say: comically long table.

The man who goes around shirtless on horseback and pretends to play professional-level hockey is congenitally incapable of nuance.

ETA: Of course another possibility is that he may indeed be in a frail condition, and that visitors he perceives as enemies should not be close enough to perceive it.

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### Author: ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5102 "2022-04-26T20:23:51Z")

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I’ve seen other photos that strongly imply Putin isn’t well, but in this one he doesn’t look any worse then the SecGen.

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### Author: ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5103 "2022-04-26T20:29:40Z")

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> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> António Guterres

Well, I looked it up, António Guterres _is_ older, but only by about 3 years.

Also, I thought that was just Putin’s right hand, but looking closer at the blurry photo, maybe he has his hands clasped like Guterres does.

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### Author: ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5104 "2022-04-26T20:37:02Z")

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If it didn’t lead to a hijack, this picture would make for decent caption contest material.

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