# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 283
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5705 "2022-05-14T15:20:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Ukrainians are using light quadcopters to drop improvised explosive devices on Russian positions (video) Russians will retaliate by shelling more schools and hospitals. This is a terrorism operation at this point. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5706 "2022-05-14T15:20:38Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > But I’m not sure why that is the relevant criteria. Only because that was what the post was talking about. Agreed that it seems overly confined as a premise. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5707 "2022-05-14T15:32:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Russians will retaliate by shelling more schools and hospitals. This is a terrorism operation at this point. Unfortunately, they did that before Turkey sent the first drones - it’s always been about eliminating Ukrainians and Ukraine’s culture and sovereignty. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5708 "2022-05-14T16:01:54Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > IMHO it’s because that’s part of the song and dance that nations have to go through in order to prevent the nukes from flying in the first place But isn’t MAD the “song and dance” that prevents the nukes flying? That is, that virtually no one will survive a nuclear war so no one had better launch even one nuke? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5709 "2022-05-14T16:25:11Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > It is important to consider NATO expansion very carefully. Article Five is a blank check. Do Americans really want to send their children to war over some fool thing in the Balkans? (Or in this case Scandinavia.) Alliances work both ways. At this point the Hungarians could drag us into a war. Article 5 is in no way a blank check, as it only applies to nations being attacked and not to those doing the attacking. If Hungary starts something with…Serbia? Seems like that would piss off Orban’s buddy in Moscow. Austria, I guess, since all their other neighbours are NATO members. If Hungary seeks to reclaim the glory of the Austro-Hungarian Empire by invading Austria, NATO is in no way obliged to participate. It’s a mutual defense treaty, not a mutual offense treaty. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5710 "2022-05-14T16:42:57Z")
> **[Ukrainian volunteer fighters use a Russian tank nicknamed 'Bunny' against...](https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-volunteer-fighters-use-tank-nicknamed-bunny-against-russian-forces-2022-5)** > > Earlier this week, Ukrainian forces mocked Russia's annual "Victory Day" celebration by hosting a "parade" of captured Russian tanks. > “This is like my personal tank. I am [the] tank commander and tank owner,” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/MypIFoWA87E/hqdefault.jpg "Vyvyan! Where Did You Get That Howitzer?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypIFoWA87E) ~~**Rick:**~~ **Russia:** ~~Vyv!~~ Alex! Where did you get that Howitzer?! ~~**Vyvyan:**~~ **Alex:** Found it! ~~**Rick:**~~ **Russia:** Well, you can just about bloomin’ well put it back this instant, young man! ~~**Vyvyan:**~~ **Alex:** I will, I will, just as soon as I’ve blown you to pieces! _[fires a round as ~~Rick~~ Russia dives for cover]_ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5711 "2022-05-14T17:57:05Z")
How did Alex learn to fire Bunny accurately enough to make that many kills? Just learning to drive a tank would be challenging for me. I guess the auto loader makes it easier to fire. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5712 "2022-05-14T18:04:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How did Alex learn to fire Bunny accurately enough to make that many kills? > > Just learning to drive a tank would be challenging for me. The story does seem suspicious. There’s also the question of how he survived so many encounters without getting blown up along with Bunny by return fire. The article mentions dozens of kills in March. Where did he get the ammo to destroy that many Russian vehicles? What about April and May? If Bunny was destroyed during this time period, how did Alex survive? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5713 "2022-05-14T19:54:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Russians will retaliate by shelling more schools and hospitals. This is a terrorism operation at this point. Ukrainians are blowing up miltary targets. That isn’t terrorism. And there is no reason to believe Russians won’t target any and all schools and hospitals, whether the Ukrainians fight back or not. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5714 "2022-05-14T20:20:14Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Ukrainians are blowing up miltary targets. That isn’t terrorism. Yes that’s correct. That’s why i accused Russia of terrorism, not Ukraine. And yes, I don’t believe Russia would end targetting schools and hospitals, until they get the entire country. Because they are behaving like terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5715 "2022-05-14T20:23:14Z")
OK, I misunderstood. It sounded like Russians targeting schools and hospitals was a consequence of Ukrainian drones targeting Russian soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5716 "2022-05-14T20:29:38Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It sounded like Russians targeting schools and hospitals was a consequence of Ukrainian drones targeting Russian soldiers. ‘Look what you’re making me do!’ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5717 "2022-05-14T20:30:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Well, but that is out of respect for Tsarina Kate Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5718 "2022-05-14T21:09:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m not sure if you’re serious or not, OK, so you think that NATO expansion ought not to be considered very carefully? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5719 "2022-05-14T21:13:09Z")
Not for stupid reasons, no. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5720 "2022-05-14T21:16:05Z")
A first hand report of patroling outside Kharkiv. Most of tthe Russians have left. The Ukrainians are still fighting some men from the separatist Donbas region. It does seem the war has shifted away from Kharkiv. Defending Kharkiv is quite an accomplishment. > **[Ukraine war: Russia pushed back from Kharkiv - report from front line](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61378196)** > > Correspondent Quentin Sommerville and cameraman Darren Conway are with Ukrainian troops as they advance. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5721 "2022-05-14T21:21:46Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > OK, so you think that NATO expansion ought not to be considered very carefully? I’m sure it was considered considered carefully, by many people, including the legislatures of Sweden and Finland, their prime ministers, the president of Finland, and NATOs governing body. These folks almost certainly considered the matter carefully. Considered very carefully is not a euphemism for rejected, which seems to be the implication of your post. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5722 "2022-05-14T22:16:16Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Considered very carefully is not a euphemism for rejected, which seems to be the implication of your post. Gosh. You OK? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5723 "2022-05-14T22:18:30Z")
Why, exactly, do people think Zelenskyy is a badass? [Here is a video](https://youtu.be/bZnbcsWGnYQ), all in Russian, comparing Vlad and Volodymyr, which show just how fucking good Zelenskyy (or his staff) is at messaging. The symbolism is not subtle, even if the language is unintelligible to you. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/5724 "2022-05-14T22:28:17Z")
I see that Putin has cut off Russia’s electricity supply to Finland. Apparently a dire warning! 😉 The Finns are laughing it off because it’s just a tiny percentage of their total electricity supply. The bigger problem is Turkey and Erdogan’s obstructionism, which is important because, truth be told, Turkey has been an important NATO ally in the entire post-war era, and as mentioned before, is helping out Ukraine quite significantly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=282) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=284)