# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/581 "2022-02-28T20:53:39Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I am hoping both Russia and Belarus are bearing the brunt of cyber attacks unheard of. Our guys should be as good as theirs are and lack of news does not mean lack of action. That’s probably not a line we want to cross, not unless it’s in retaliation for them attacking us first. Besides, private groups are already doing this and have been. We can just sit back and watch the fun, as it’s not us doing it. I do think we should be looking to augment our retaliation for state-sponsored cyber attacks, especially if they can be proved, though, honestly, we don’t know that isn’t or hasn’t happened. The best cyber attacks are ones that the people being attacked never know happened…or, for their own reasons, want to keep the fact they got hacked very, very quiet. ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/582 "2022-02-28T20:53:55Z")
It looks like the Hague is trying to get involved. From CNN’s streaming link. ## International Criminal Court opens investigation into Russian invasion of Ukraine Looking for a link ETA [ICC prosecutor to open probe into war crimes in Ukraine | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-crime-war-crimes-europe-crimea-ccffad6bee5c7730e5ba15b0435b6f9a) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/583 "2022-02-28T20:54:47Z")
Ukraine has filed war crimes charges against them with the Hague Court. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/584 "2022-02-28T21:03:25Z")
> [@XT](#): > > That’s probably not a line we want to cross, not unless it’s in retaliation for them attacking us first. I thought of that but after all, we did not retaliate (that we know of) their alleged interference in two elections, it would restrain them from going at them with the gloves off. In any event it’s all in the shadows and successful operations are the ones we never hear of. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/585 "2022-02-28T21:03:25Z")
> [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > I’m really not sure _what_ they know, or if we can generalize about that. And what should be expressed to them is the opposite of nationalistic propaganda. A friend of mine is Russian, now a naturalized American. In her view, Putin supporters are like Trump supporters: in their media bubbles, filled with maximum propaganda and minimum facts. The hard-core have turned off their brains and do whatever the leader says. There are also apparently many Russians completely fed up with Putin, but not willing to risk themselves or their families by saying so in any identifiable way. It gives me hope that Russia is not totally lost and fear of how close America is to becoming lost. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/586 "2022-02-28T21:10:06Z")
BP and Shell have announced they are severing their ties with Russian oil companies. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/587 "2022-02-28T21:10:32Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I thought of that but after all, we did not retaliate (that we know of) their alleged interference in two elections, it would restrain them from going at them with the gloves off. That they (as well as China, Iran, and a few others) interfered is pretty much a sure thing. But I don’t think there is any evidence, that I’ve seen anyway, that they hacked the election through cyber means. Instead, they used fake news and social engineering, which is more of a gray area. And, as you said, we don’t know if we did in fact go after them on this front. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have launched our own cyber-attacks from time to time, justified by stuff like the election or not. ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/588 "2022-02-28T21:24:56Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > My understanding is Russian tanks and military vehicles have ‘Zs’ painted on them only because Moscow’s Z-Rock radio station has a wacky contest running right now: just paint a Z on any vehicle, drive it to Kyiv, take a selfie to prove it, and you win a pair of tickets to see Taylor Swift! Read the fine print. It’s actually Tylor Svift. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/589 "2022-02-28T21:45:47Z")
I guess Macron met with Putin earlier and Putin told Macron that he’s willing to negotiate…as long as Russia has full sovereignty over Ukraine, Ukraine is demilitarized and, well, Putin really, really liked that shirt Macron was wearing so… I think the French president is really making progress in these negotiations. Putin is not demanding Eastern Europe or the Baltic states, at least not in this session, so…progress! ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/590 "2022-02-28T21:54:32Z")
If I drank in bars, I’d want to drink in the bars that are boycotting Russian Vodka. > **[A Scottsdale-based nightclub and bar group joins nationwide boycotts of...](https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/dining/2022/02/28/metro-phoenix-bars-take-russian-vodka-off-menus-support-ukraine/6973885001/)** > > Bottled Blonde, Sandbar, Bevvy among Arizona restaurants and clubs removing Russian vodka from their menus in support of Ukraine. Here's why. Many small things can often add up to a big thing. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/591 "2022-02-28T22:03:12Z")
Macron’s efforts are probably futile (and I suspect he knows this) but I’m glad he’s not giving up on them. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/592 "2022-02-28T22:05:07Z")
I suspect he does too, and I’m not taking anything away from him trying, but Putin is making demands that, simply, are not possible unless Russia wins big time on the battlefield…in which case, they are moot anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/593 "2022-02-28T22:05:56Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > If I drank in bars, I’d want to drink in the bars that are boycotting Russian Vodka. The whole state of Ohio is refusing purchases & sales of Russian-made vodka > ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/594 "2022-02-28T22:07:57Z")
Damn! I hope this all cleared up by Christmas so we don’t all have to boycott _The Nutcracker_. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/595 "2022-02-28T22:25:17Z")
**17 mile long column of armor is now advancing on Kyiv.** > **[As it happened: Ukraine live updates: Deadly blast at Kyiv TV tower after...](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877)** > > Ukraine says Russia has attacked the main television tower in the capital, killing five people. “contains hundreds of armoured vehicles, tanks, towed artillery and logistics support vehicles” I hope the defenders have a lot of anti-tank missiles available. They probably need to start take out their own bridges. Russia has increased shelling of cities. Russia has now committed 75% of their massed forces. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/596 "2022-02-28T22:27:53Z")
If they drive into a confined area, the Ukrainians can disable the lead vehicles and the trailing vehicles. It would be nice if they could do that with drones. With the middle vehicles immobile, they can peck at them with whatever weapons they can muster. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/597 "2022-02-28T22:27:56Z")
SOP in such situations it to let the pointy end of the spear pass by then hack at the shaft. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/598 "2022-02-28T22:34:30Z")
USA sending 12 Russian Diplomats home for conducting espionage. > **[Ukraine latest updates: Kyiv TV tower hit in alleged attack](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/us-announces-plan-to-expel-russian-diplomats-from-un-liveblog)** > > Russia-Ukraine crisis news from March 1: Washington says Russian ‘crimes’ in Ukraine are ‘mounting by the hour’. Thus far Poland has taken in the most refugees. Over 280,000. A total of at least 520,000 have fled to neighboring countries. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/599 "2022-02-28T22:35:44Z")
Would be sweet if a B-2 came by at night time and dropped a few dozen CBU-97s… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/600 "2022-02-28T22:37:47Z")
They were just delivering and accidentally dropped the load. Whooops! 😄 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=31)