# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 319
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6425 "2022-06-28T22:21:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I got a nickel that says it involved throwing the Kurds under a bus. That and a couple boxes of Turkish Delight. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6426 "2022-06-28T23:32:55Z")
Putin’s efforts to expand NATO are tremendously successful! (here’s an article on the news Fiendish shared) > **[Ukraine war latest: Nato pledges 'unshakeable' commitment to Ukraine - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61960122)** > > Allies will provide Ukraine with military and financial help and modern equipment, the Nato chief declares. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6427 "2022-06-29T01:32:11Z")
The Turkish drone manufacturer Baykar refused Go-Fund Me money and is donating drones to Ukraine… [from the Hürriyet Daily News](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-firm-gifts-drones-to-ukraine-174910) “Baykar will not accept payment for the TB2s, and will send 3 UAVs [free](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/index/free) of charge to the Ukrainian war front,” it added. “We ask that raised funds be remitted instead to the struggling people of [Ukraine](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/index/ukraine).” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6428 "2022-06-29T03:02:57Z")
And Moldova’s on the short list to be next, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6429 "2022-06-29T09:15:45Z")
In addition to Moldova’s successful application for EU candidacy. Russia has really not helped themselves there. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6430 "2022-06-29T09:49:52Z")
[![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS0Iq1UXoAIM93z.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS0Iq1UXoAIM93z.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6431 "2022-06-29T10:45:37Z")
I want to know what back-room deal Turkey got for all this. It can’t be just money. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6432 "2022-06-29T11:27:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > involved throwing the Kurds under a bus. Safe bet – it always does, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6433 "2022-06-29T12:42:09Z")
Turns out one of the bulletins in the BBC article @Andy_L linked above has some insight: > [@](#): > > - Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg says Sweden has agreed to step up its work on Turkish extradition requests of suspected militants > - Stockholm has been accused by Turkey of harbouring what it calls militants from the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) - but denies the allegation > - Militants will also face a crackdown under amendments to Swedish and Finnish law > - Stoltenberg also says the two Nordic nations will lift their restrictions on selling weapons to Turkey So yeah, the Kurds, directly and indirectly. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6434 "2022-06-30T12:20:50Z")
The kind and magnanimous Russians have withdrawn from the Sanctuary of Achilles, aka Snake Island, as a “goodwill gesture”. They said the same when they retreated from northern Ukraine. > ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6435 "2022-06-30T12:35:24Z")
Funny how they come up with goodwill gestures to make after all their equipment gets blown up. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6436 "2022-06-30T12:48:10Z")
The Russians withdrew having made the required sacrifices of men and equipment to honour Achilles. It can’t have been fun to be a Russian posted to Snake Island. There’s not much cover and I’d imagine it wouldn’t be easy to build trenches in the rock. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5_%D0%91%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%B5%2C_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%282008%29.jpg/1280px-%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5_%D0%91%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%B5%2C_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%282008%29.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5_%D0%91%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%B5%2C_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%282008%29.jpg/1280px-%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5_%D0%91%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%B5%2C_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%282008%29.jpg) If the Ukrainians put some anti-ship and anti-air missile capabilities on the island, it’ll be a great help in protecting the western Black Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6437 "2022-06-30T12:55:22Z")
The real reason the Russians withdrew from Snake Island: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWfUqIhX0AI2dph?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWfUqIhX0AI2dph?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6438 "2022-06-30T12:55:54Z")
It would be hard to place mines in that rock. There probably are bobby traps ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6439 "2022-06-30T12:57:26Z")
I don’t think the London Metropolitan Police have any presence in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6440 "2022-06-30T13:21:55Z")
It’s been awhile since I wrote booby. Typing too fast. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6441 "2022-06-30T13:28:41Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > If the Ukrainians put some anti-ship and anti-air missile capabilities on the island, it’ll be a great help in protecting the western Black Sea. The russians tried that. Look what it got them. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6442 "2022-06-30T13:37:58Z")
Recent Ukrainian strikes on the island came from a new Ukraine-built long-range howitzer, which has just entered service, fired from the mainland. > The island is far, far beyond the range of Russian artillery, so the Russians cannot respond in kind. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6443 "2022-06-30T17:26:31Z")
It’s just a flat chunk of rock now. I suspect all the buildings are unusable. It’ll be pretty miserable for the Ukrainians that get posted there. There’s always danger from Russian ships. That’s how they captured it in Feb. It would be nice if a NATO ship dropped off a \*\*prefab building that could be assembled and supplies. A legit humanitarian gesture that’s not a provocation. Britain gave Ukraine anti-ship missles last month. \*\*\*bases are built using prefab buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6444 "2022-06-30T20:17:20Z")
Ukrainian troops are being trained in the U.K. [https://pbs.twimg.com/card\_img/1542355170704646146/7\_7OD\_2Y?format=jpg&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1542355170704646146/7_7OD_2Y?format=jpg&name=900x900) > **[Ukrainian troops getting weapons training in UK](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61988615)** > > The move to Western equipment is increasingly important as Ukraine runs low on Soviet-era arms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=318) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=320)