# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 320
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6445 "2022-06-30T21:54:04Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It would be nice if a NATO ship dropped off a \*\*prefab building that could be assembled and supplies. A legit humanitarian gesture that’s not a provocation. A NATO ship probably couldn’t get through the Straits. Building supplies for a military purpose would probably be caught by the Straits agreement during a state of war. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6446 "2022-06-30T22:00:51Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > A NATO ship probably couldn’t get through the Straits. Building supplies for a military purpose would probably be caught by the Straits agreement during a state of war. It could always “accidentally” fall out of a C5 after just happening to be attached to a parachute. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6447 "2022-07-01T13:26:58Z")
I’m surprised (yet again) that Ukraine didn’t keep the old conventionally armed Soviet missiles. I know they voluntarily gave up the nukes after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Budapest Memorandum agreement. Russia probably warehoused every missle that was returned. Now they’re sending them back to Ukraine. Guardian > [@](#): > > - **Russia is using inaccurate missiles from old Soviet stocks for more than 50% of its strikes in Ukraine** , leading to significant loss of civilian life, a brigadier general in Ukraine’s armed forces said on Thursday. [The rate of Russian strikes in Ukraine has more than doubled in the past two weeks,](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/jun/30/russia-ukraine-war-nato-says-moscow-is-biggest-direct-threat-to-west-lysychansk-under-relentless-shelling-governor-says-live-news?page=with:block-62bdded18f08ca4e35f8ce34#block-62bdded18f08ca4e35f8ce34)Brig Gen Oleksii Hromov said at a news conference. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6448 "2022-07-01T14:33:00Z")
Russian troll on Snake Island special operation withdrawal. “It was a goodwill gesture.” > **[Deadly missile strike hits residential buildings in Ukraine's Odesa region](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109274251/deadly-missile-strike-hits-residential-buildings-in-odesa-ukraine)** > > Video of the pre-dawn attack showed the charred remains of buildings in the Ukrainian port city. “Also a goodwill gesture.” The ancient Russian cold war apparatchiks have gone/are still crazy. Dreaming of the old Soviet Union as their country crumbles. Monsters all of them. And I include Cheney, Kissenger, and the rest of the neocons in the monster/mobster category. Back to Snake Island; odds on the Russians evacuating their dead? I’m going with left to rot/probably boobytrapped. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6449 "2022-07-01T14:41:45Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The real reason the Russians withdrew from Snake Island: Can you provide commentary? What is the picture about? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6450 "2022-07-01T14:55:04Z")
The picture shows columns of smoke rising from the island. The real reason they left is because they were getting hammered. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6451 "2022-07-01T14:55:43Z")
Here’s an article from over a week ago about Ukrainian strikes on Snake Island: > **[Ukrainian Strikes On Russian-Occupied Snake Island Confirmed In Satellite...](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukrainian-strikes-on-russian-occupied-snake-island-confirmed-in-satellite-imagery)** > > Ukraine says a new operation is underway targeting Russian forces on Snake Island in the Black Sea. At the time of writing, it was not known that the Ukrainians’ new home-built long-range self-propelled howitzer, the 2S22 Bohdana, was being used. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6452 "2022-07-01T15:24:12Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > If the Ukrainians put some anti-ship and anti-air missile capabilities on the island, it’ll be a great help in protecting the western Black Sea. Do we have any idea what Russia’s Black Sea naval resources are currently like? It seems to have gone quiet after they took some big hits and I understand they can’t replenish via the straits. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The real reason they left is because they were getting hammered. But hammered with goodwill! ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6453 "2022-07-01T15:30:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But hammered with **goodwill!** _(obligatory)_ [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/QK8mJJJvaes/maxresdefault.jpg "MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - THRIFT SHOP FEAT. WANZ (OFFICIAL VIDEO)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes&t=179) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6454 "2022-07-01T19:33:41Z")
From the Forbes article. Driving the Russians away is still a big step forward. They can’t arm the island with anti-ship guns. Making them use ships provides a sinkable target. > [@](#): > > That doesn’t mean Kyiv’s forces are going to retake the island. Snake Island’s facilities—power, water and shelter—are in ruins. The Black Sea Fleet could lob missiles at the rocky islet from hundreds of miles away and there’s nothing Ukraine’s drones and howitzers could do to stop it. > > Don’t expect Ukrainian troops to land on Snake Island unless, and until, they further degrade the Black Sea Fleet. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6455 "2022-07-01T20:36:47Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > At the time of writing, it was not known that the Ukrainians’ new home-built long-range self-propelled howitzer, the 2S22 Bohdana, was being used. Big artillery used to be common before missiles. The German Paris Gun in WWI had a 75 mile range. The last expert was Gerald Bull. His books are very good. He wrote one book about the Paris Gun and the design specs. He made a bad mistake of trying to build Iraq a super gun. Bull was killed in 1990. I hope a couple more 2S22 Bohdana’s are quietly being built somewhere. Ukraine needs them. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6456 "2022-07-01T21:39:05Z")
Amything that big is going to be vulnerable to counterbattery by the Russians if they can get their shorter-ranged guns into range. And possibly worth the trouble. More likely, saturation missile barrages or airstrikes. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6457 "2022-07-01T21:46:59Z")
I believe the French Caesar howitzers were also involved in the shelling. The key round was a 155mm HE projectile fitted with a base bleed assembly. These shells had just enough range to reach the island from the coast. Base bleed differs from rocket assist in the way it increases range. Base bleed is a pyrotechnic gas producer that reduces the drag from the rear of the projectile by “filling in” turbulent air trailing the round. It produces no thrust. A rocket assist involves a rocket motor affixed to the projectile base that provides additional thrust. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6458 "2022-07-01T23:03:45Z")
This Sunday — July 3 — NBC will broadcast a prime time Awareness and Money raiser to benefit Ukraine. [From nbc.com](https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/ukraine-russia-conflict-answering-the-call-nbc-special): _Ukraine: Answering the Call_ airs Sunday, July 3 at 7 p.m. ET/PT on NBC, and will feature appearances by some of the biggest names in entertainment including José Andrés, Jon Batiste, Brian Cox, Jeff Daniels, Vera Farmiga, Lena Headey, Alicia Keys, Simu Liu, Julianne Moore, Brad Paisley, Rosie Perez and more. As part of the special event, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will address the American people. NBC News will also be using the platform to share stories of real people whose lives have been dramatically impacted by the [Russian invasion of Ukraine](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-missiles-hit-kremenchuk-shopping-center-1000-civilians-ukraine-rcna35482). “During the broadcast, viewers will have the chance to help families impacted by the crisis in Ukraine by donating to the International Rescue Committee (IRC), an organization that helps people affected by humanitarian crises to survive, recover and rebuild their lives,” reads the official press release. ——- I think I read that some organization will be matching donations up to half-a-million, but I’m not motivated to look that up right now (and am naturally suspicious of fund matching). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6459 "2022-07-02T01:20:29Z")
French are sending 6 additional 155mm SP Caesar howitzers. Twelve were sent earlier [Russia claims to have captured one]. Doesn’t sound like a huge amount but they are fast setup and move after fire. They have a higher rate of fire, are more accurate and outrange equivalent Russian guns. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6460 "2022-07-02T03:10:06Z")
It has to be maddening for Russian Generals to see a constant supply of high quality munitions pouring into Ukraine knowing your own supplies are dwindling. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6461 "2022-07-02T12:53:27Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Base bleed differs from rocket assist in the way it increases range. Base bleed is a pyrotechnic gas producer that reduces the drag from the rear of the projectile by “filling in” turbulent air trailing the round. Interesting. I wonder if there are any ‘Sabot’ type rounds. Not small and thin. Just a base on a round that is boat tailed to push it out the barrel. The round would be ‘pointy’ on both ends to reduce the turbulent air in the back. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6462 "2022-07-02T13:05:56Z")
The nes has said Russia hasn’t done a formal call up for troops? They’ve been getting the poorer men to sign up. I guess this is retaliation for daring to sign with a US Team? Fedotov won the Silver olympics medal 2022. He’s a hot prospect and wouldn’t have volunteered for the military. He’s probably going to the front lines. Putin has sure fucked up a lot of Russian and Ukrainian people that just want to live their lives and raise families. > **[Report: Flyers Goalie Ivan Fedotov Detained for Alleged Draft Dodging](https://thehockeynews.com/news/fedotov-detained-for-alleged-draft-dodging)** > > According to reports out of Russia, Philadelphia Flyers prospect Ivan Fedotov has been detained in St. Petersburg for alleged evasion of military service. > **[Ice hockey star forcibly enlisted in Putin's army and sent to fight in Ukraine](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ice-hockey-star-forcibly-enlisted-27381536)** > > Ivan Fedotov was rushed to an army enlistment office after being dramatically held by a squad of police officers in St Petersburg accused of seeking to dodge the military draft ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6463 "2022-07-02T13:14:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Putin has sure fucked up a lot of Russian and Ukrainian people that just want to live their lives and raise families. It’s all for the glory of the Russian Empire. All hail the Motherland. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6464 "2022-07-02T13:15:36Z")
Putin’s dying legacy. He’ll be in the history books with Stalin and Lenin. Putin wants a glass coffin like his hero. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=319) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=321)