# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 321
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6465 "2022-07-02T13:38:34Z")
It’ll make it easier to get the urine stains off. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6466 "2022-07-02T16:40:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Putin’s dying legacy. He’ll be in the history books with Stalin and Lenin. Putin wants a glass coffin like his hero. He’ll be lucky if they can find the body. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6467 "2022-07-02T16:50:02Z")
[Russian missiles from fighter planes strike an apartment building in Odessa.](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-at-least-10-killed-in-russian-strike-in-ukraines-odessa-official-3117025). I didn’t see any attempt to suggest this was anything other than terror against the general public. What is the reason Ukraine is being urged to NOT strike targets inside of Russia? Is the thought that Russia will engage in even MORE attacks against non-military targets? The last couple of such attacks I’ve read about have involved missiles fired from jets. Has the West not given Ukraine effective anti-aircraft weapons? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6468 "2022-07-02T16:51:25Z")
The Russians are firing from behind their borders, so the Ukrainians are constrained from firing on them. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6469 "2022-07-02T17:01:19Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > What is the reason Ukraine is being urged to NOT strike targets inside of Russia? I think they are being urged not to use Western-supplied equipment to strike into Russia and it is all part of the careful dance NATO is trying to do to prevent escalation. The notion is that NATO are supplying arms for defensive purposes, not to threaten Russia per se. It’s a bit of a farce, but then that’s realpolitik. More practically Ukraine still has limited capabilities and at the moment they need to be concentrating on Ukrainian soil. They’re not in a position to launch air strikes into Russia for much the same reason Russia has been hampered somewhat doing air strikes in Ukraine, only more so (air defenses are strong, Ukraine has limited assets to lose). They need their scarce artillery ammo for Ukraine, etc. - about the only thing they can do is maybe a few commando raids/strategic missile strikes and it appears that may have happened. But anything beyond that doesn’t make much sense with their current lack of manpower. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6470 "2022-07-02T17:10:34Z")
Thanks. I just thought it might give substantial “bang for the buck” to launch some long range artillery at a bridge/fuel depot/pipeline/road or 2 inside of Russia, which is helping Russia get troops and material to the front. Just seems so one-sided for essentially ALL of the damage to be taking place on Ukrainian soil. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6471 "2022-07-02T17:15:30Z")
Attacking Russian airfields near the border would be the most effective. But long range bombers can fly from airfields further inside Russia. A minor inconvenience. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6472 "2022-07-02T19:16:16Z")
This war just keeps getting crazier. The photo shows a ship large enough to unload trucks and tanks? A big loss. > **[Putin humiliated after Russian navy sinks one of its OWN ships](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1634370/putin-news-russian-navy-black-sea-fleet-ukraine-war-latest)** > > VLADIMIR Putin was left red-faced after his naval commanders managed to sink one of their own ships in a calamitous incident. Yeah, I see a tank in the large photo. > ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6473 "2022-07-02T21:12:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This war just keeps getting crazier. The Russians are running rapidly out of Black Sea Fleet. I wonder if the NATO confrontation will be, not one of the Baltic States or Poland, but instead trying to force the Straits and drag Turkey into the active fight. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6474 "2022-07-02T21:31:02Z")
I’d like a confirmation from someone other than the Express. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6475 "2022-07-02T23:26:28Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The nes has said Russia hasn’t done a formal call up for troops? They’ve been getting the poorer men to sign up. They have not called up greater numbers than their routine conscription in any evidence that I have seen. They call up conscripts in two different periods annually. That’s just routine Russian military, even during peacetime, business. We’re at the tail end of the normal spring conscription period. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6476 "2022-07-03T02:20:39Z")
The Russian government is trying to avoid general mobilization because they are worried it will erode support for their war. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6477 "2022-07-03T03:05:18Z")
Darth Putin: “Special Operation! Special Operation! **SPECIAL OPERATION**!!!” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6478 "2022-07-03T06:23:35Z")
Russian authorities didn’t want Ivan Fedotov leaving for comfortable US sports career. I wouldn’t be surprised if travel out of Russia is severely restricted. Like it was in the Soviet days. We may even see defections from Russian sports teams at International events. I never thought Putin had enough authority to roll back thirty years of change. Fight a war? Yes. But you’d think some group in Russia could forcibly remove him. Put in Medvedev. He probably wouldn’t want have a similiar fate as Putin. He could shift things back and negotiate peace in Ukraine. Probably keep the Donbas. ISW July 2 Russia has what it wants except for a few small towns. I can’t see Ukraine retaking these cities. Consider the amount of effort Russia used. They supposedly lost a lot of soldiers and equipment. Ukraine would have to absorb similar casualties and lost equipment. It seems unlikely they can take that risk and possibly fail. > [@](#): > > **Ukrainian forces likely conducted a deliberate withdrawal from Lysychansk, resulting in the Russian seizure of the city on July 2.** Geolocated footage showed Russian forces casually walking around northern and southeastern neighborhoods in Lysychansk in a way that suggests that there are few or no remaining Ukrainian forces in the city as of July 2.[1] Ukrainian military officials did not publicly announce a troop withdrawal but neither did they report on defensive battles around Lysychansk. Ukrainian Internal Affairs Minister Vadym Denysenko vaguely noted that Russian forces have a “high probability” of capturing Lysychansk but that they will have a difficult time advancing in Donetsk Oblast past Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.[2] Ukrainian National Guard Spokesperson Ruslan Muzychuk rejected reports of Russian forces seizing and encircling Lysychansk, but these denials are likely outdated or erroneous.[3] The Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Ambassador to Russia, Rodion Miroshnik, had previously claimed that Ukrainian forces began withdrawing from Lysychansk on June 28.[4] ISW will continue to monitor the situation. > > **Russian forces will likely establish control over the remaining territory of Luhansk Oblast in coming days and will likely then prioritize drives on Ukrainian positions in Siversk before turning to Slovyansk and Bakhmut.** A Ukrainian withdrawal to Siversk would allow Ukrainian forces reduce the risk of immediate encirclement, but Ukrainian forces may continue a fighting withdrawal to a line near the E40 highway from Slovyansk to Bakhmut. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6479 "2022-07-03T12:21:22Z")
Dr. Dmitry Kolker died two days later. Yanked out of a stage 4 cancer ward. Life in Russia will be dangerous for many that aren’t accustomed to living in a authoritarian state. Site: [https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terminally-ill-russian-scientist-hauled-27376307](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terminally-ill-russian-scientist-hauled-27376307) Site: [https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/laser-scientist-dies-after-being-27385712](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/laser-scientist-dies-after-being-27385712) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6480 "2022-07-03T14:12:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t see Ukraine retaking these cities. Consider the amount of effort Russia used. They supposedly lost a lot of soldiers and equipment. Ukraine would have to absorb similar casualties and lost equipment. It seems unlikely they can take that risk and possibly fail. I can’t see why they wouldn’t be able to re-take those cities. It doesn’t seem like Russia is performing anything magical in order to take them, their tactic seems to still be to simply shell the area into rubble and then overrun it with troops irrespective of how many men it costs them. Ukraine doesn’t seem to think it’s worth fighting to the death to defend a leveled city, so they’re wisely retreating. There’s more than one method Ukraine could use to re-take them later, and I don’t really see why they’d choose to use the same one the Russians did. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6481 "2022-07-03T14:23:32Z")
It depends on Ukraine’s casualties. They’re not reporting how badly are their degraded. There’s still a lot of fighting ahead. I suspect Kharkiv is a prize that Russia still wants. It’s Ukraine"s second largest city. Kyiv is the ultimate prize. It’s never going to be safe. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t been obliterated by cruise missiles. It would be great to use the new longer range artillery on the Russians in Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. Shell it constantly. The cities are already flattened. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6482 "2022-07-03T14:28:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t see Ukraine retaking these cities. Consider the amount of effort Russia used. They supposedly lost a lot of soldiers and equipment. Ukraine would have to absorb similar casualties and lost equipment. It seems unlikely they can take that risk and possibly fail. Ukraine has received a very great deal of replacement equipment and supplies. Russia has not. Ukraine has only one border to guard in the midst of the fighting–the one with Belarus. Russia has a long border with Finland to guard, and an even longer one with China. Ukraine has lots and lots of highly-motivated reserves that are being called up and trained; Russia does not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6483 "2022-07-03T14:29:40Z")
A very scary Twitter thread on a possible Putin plan to starve the world of Ukraine’s grain in order to gain leverage to keep territory: > If this is accurate, the US and allies should seriously consider sinking Russia’s Black Sea fleet to ensure Ukrainian grain can be exported. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6484 "2022-07-03T14:35:47Z")
NATO will have to escort Ukraine grain ships through the Black Sea. The _World_ can’t allow Russia to use starvation as a weapon. If Russia fires at escort ships, _then_ you sink their Black Sea fleet. I’m not sure how Ukraine can actually load grain ships under missile fire. That’s a problem NATO will have to consider. Perhaps NATO peacekeepers in the ports? Targets that would mean war if attacked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=320) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=322)