# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\
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Article on the use of HIMARS against fascist invader ammo depots:

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> At the beginning of the month, the Biden administration announced it was sending a small batch of M142 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers. This decision was long awaited on the Ukrainian side, which lacked precision artillery systems that are able to hit Russian targets deep behind the frontlines. The first videos of HIMARS on the battle front appeared online as early as July 4.
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> Despite the limited numbers of HIMARS currently available to Ukraine, the impact on the field can already be felt. At the moment, Ukraine operates nine HIMARS; upon receiving the systems, Ukrainian military started systematically targeting Russian ammunition storage facilities behind the frontlines.
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> During the past week, a number of ammunition dumps were reported to be on fire all over the occupied Ukrainian territory. On July 4, Ukrainian diplomat Olexander Scherba claimed the system was already making an impact. Three days later, videos of a bombardment of the Donetsk Kamaz truck center started appearing online. Allegedly, this was the location where Russian troops were keeping their ammunition supplies in Donetsk.
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> …
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> Additional reports of targeted Russian ammunition dumps include July 2 in Popasna, July 4 in Snizhne and Yakovlivka, July 5 in Kadiivka, July 6 in Makiivka, as well as other locations.

> **[Russian War Report: Ukraine uses HIMARS effectively to hit Russian ammo dumps](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russian-hybrid-threats-report/russian-war-report-ukraine-himars-russian-ammo-dumps/)**
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> Ukranian forces are using M142 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers to systematically target Russian ammunition storage facilities behind the frontlines.  

Video of launching of quadrotor drone with 82mm mortar shell:

> <https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1545666801018802176>

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Ukraine has **18** Polish self-propelled howitzers **Krab, and soon will get another 54**. They proved themselves especially useful during battle for Sievierodonetsk [https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545950939613478914?cxt=HHwWhIC-vYqMqfQqAAAA](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545950939613478914?cxt=HHwWhIC-vYqMqfQqAAAA)

[![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_500,w_500,c_limit/v200/7f774ab4b4ea1d07a3d07fa475aaed34) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,h_500,w_500,c_limit/v200/7f774ab4b4ea1d07a3d07fa475aaed34)

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Ammo depot [former]Shakhtarsk blast:

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FCaKtC4bkvs/maxresdefault.jpg "Battle Of Donbas - Russian Ammunition Depot At Shakhtarsk Hit In Donetsk region - 10-07-2022") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCaKtC4bkvs)

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Report from the Russian side (ultranationalist Igor Girkin) on the effectiveness of recent Ukrainian strikes on ammo depots and other locations:

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> In the past 5-7 days over 10 large artillery and other munitions stockpiles were hit, several oil depots, around 10 command points and roughly as many personnel locations in our near and far rears. In addition to several air defence and artillery positions. This resulted in LARGE losses in personnel and equipment.

> <https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1546159073304920065>

The longest rifle I’ve ever seen. It’s a Ukrainian-made anti-material rifle, so designed to be used against military equipment, structures, and other hardware, rather than people.

[https://nitter.it/raging545/status/1546156448111026176](https://nitter.it/raging545/status/1546156448111026176)

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> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> hardware, rather than people.

I suppose “the button in the middle of that officer’s chest” is cheating.

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[From Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-destroys-35-russian-tanks-single-day-kyiv-forces-1722950)

Ukraine Destroys 35 Russian Tanks in a Single Day, Kyiv Forces Say

- Ukraine’s armed forces on Friday claimed to have destroyed 35 Russian tanks in a single day.

- Ukraine, which regularly provides updates on Russian [military losses said on [Facebook](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/facebook) that since [Vladimir Putin](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/vladimir-putin)’s war began on February 24, Russia has lost 1,637 tanks, including 35 in a single day.

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> [@gnoitall](#):
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> I suppose “the button in the middle of that officer’s chest” is cheating.

I do recall a conversation with a Vietnam veteran who manned M2s which, being .50 caliber, were also supposed to be used against materiel, not people. He would often claim, he said, “The guy was wearing a backpack.”

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> **[Russia attacks its proxies in friendly fire incident in Donbas](https://www.yahoo.com/video/russia-attacks-proxies-friendly-fire-131600618.html)**
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> The Russian army seems to have attacked a battalion of its own proxy forces in Donbas, Ukraine’s SBU security service said in a Telegram post on July 10.

> “Without pay, without any f\*\*\*ing anything. I gather they weren’t even being fed. They were then deployed to the front line. After sitting there for a while, they started to move back, only to clash with Russians. The Russians completely wrecked them. Imagine that kind of army.” …
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> “Russian invaders attempted to keep this under wraps, even though conscripted people from temporarily occupied areas of Donbas can see they are being spent as cannon fodder,” the SBU said in its message.

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> **[Desperate for Recruits, Russia Launches a ‘Stealth Mobilization’ (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/world/europe/russia-recruits-ukraine-war.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DKDm8aiPsSGYyMvErQf617apwpwi-ARdYEKrIkXuFz0vQaIk93Qgiur96bkY5DIzkwrcj7eFIK6K_3fOJy9y72PC7-If1jxba7slWIPmXtX_OJ0Gl1JgYxvZc1IlC1iXNewrPOE-5-ioYvjfokVppqVHxXMnnxyvrtAxt5P9qNaAiNqVVlHrEEBkyA2IKU-LkCcw5NCFzZTHoZ4mw07d9UPNp_L7-oZld7O5K42eNNfzQueIS5BJQxRJzWnqFoudPNqx-KzMmxxpYmBQk7ktdfQks50XT5tiOV59k&smid=url-share)**
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> Leery of a national draft for the Ukraine war, the Kremlin is offering cash bonuses and employing strong arm tactics.

> To make up the manpower shortfall, the Kremlin is relying on a combination of impoverished ethnic minorities, Ukrainians from the separatist territories, mercenaries and militarized National Guard units to fight the war, and promising hefty cash incentives for volunteers.

Soldiers who complain publicly of not getting those promised bonuses and other shabby treatment get in trouble:

> [One](https://t.me/khasan_khalitov_99/2810) claimed to have been denied a promised payment of nearly $2,000. Another grumbled that a local hospital declined to remove shrapnel lodged in his body.

> Their public pleas for help got results, but not the kind they were hoping for. Instead, an aide to Ramzan Kadyrov, the autocrat who runs Chechnya, berated them at length on television as ingrates and forced them to recant.

How long until the house of cards comes down?

> Avoiding a draft for all adult males allows the Kremlin to maintain the fiction that the war is a limited “special military operation,” while also minimizing the risk of the kind of public backlash that spurred the end of previous Russian military debacles, like the one in Afghanistan and the first Chechen war.

> The public outcry after Chechnya prompted Russia to ban the use on the battlefield of raw recruits, men aged 18-27 who are required to complete a year of mandatory military service. The revelations that hundreds were deployed in Ukraine anyway, including some of the sailors who died when the Ukrainians sank the [Moskva,](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/world/europe/russia-moskva-warship-disinformation.html) the flagship of the Black Sea fleet, prompted the very outrage from parents that the Kremlin had sought to avoid.

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I had never heard of these river ports. The NPR article gives specific ports and a map.  
Site: [Ukraine restores Danube River ports in emergency effort to get grain out | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/09/ukraine-restores-danube-river-ports-in-emergency-effort-to-get-grain-out-russia-war)

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> Ukraine is restoring and expanding some of its long-decommissioned river ports on the Danube to facilitate the exportation of grain due to Russia’s Black Sea blockade.
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> Before the war, Ukrainian river ports on the Danube were seldom used, with some of them in complete disrepair. But following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its control of exit routes to the Black Sea , Kyiv is resuscitating its old river harbours in order to avoid the sea blockade and accelerate the exportation of the country’s wheat.  
> “Take the example of the Reni River port,’’ Alla Stoyanova, the head of the department of agricultural policy of Odesa region, told the Guardian. The port was among the most important of the Danube region during the Soviet Union and a passageway to Romania. “It wasn’t used at all recently. So now we are working to expand it, alongside other river ports, to increase capacity.

> **[The once-quiet southwestern corner of Ukraine is now playing a key role in trade](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/19/1106125365/ukraine-exports-trade-izmail-port-bessarabia-russian-invasion)**
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> As the Russian invasion blocks much of Ukraine's food exports elsewhere, ports in the far south are the few Ukrainian-run transit points for goods in and out of the country.

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Czech Republic contributions so far:  
Tanks  
40~ T-72M1 [April 2022]  
T-72M1 [May or June 2022] (Purchased from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine via Czechia)

Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs)  
5+ BVP-1 [April 2022]  
56 Pbv 501A [April 2022]

Towed Artillery  
152mm D-20 gun-howitzer [April 2022] (Purchased from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine via Czechia)

Self-Propelled Artillery  
122mm 2S1 Gvozdika [April 2022]  
20+ 152mm ShKH vz. 77 DANA [April 2022] (Delivered along with at least 4,006 artillery shells)

Multiple Rocket Launchers (MRLs)  
20+ 122mm RM-70 [April 2022]  
122mm BM-21 Grad [May or June 2022] (Purchased from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine via Czechia)

Surface-To-Air Missile (SAM) Systems  
6 9K35 Strela-10M [March or April 2022]

(Attack) Helicopters  
2+ Mi-24V [July 2022]

Reconnaissance UAVs  
3 Bivoj (Crowdfunded) [July 2022]

Man Portable Air Defence Systems (MANPADS)  
160 9K32 Strela-2 [March 2022]

Small Arms  
30,150 Pistole vz. 82 Pistols [February 2022]  
2,085 vz. 61 Škorpion Machine Pistols [February 2022]  
5,000 vz. 58 Assault Rifles [February 2022] (Delivered along with at least 3.5 million 7.62mm rounds)  
CZ BREN 2 Assault Rifles [February 2022] (Delivered along with at least 3.5 million 7.62mm rounds)  
3,200 UK vz. 59 Machine Guns [February 2022] (Delivered along with at least 3.5 million 7.62mm rounds)  
12 Dragunov Marksman Rifles [February 2022]  
19 Falcon Anti-Materiel Rifles [February 2022]  
10.000 RPG-75s [March 2022]

Miscellaneous Equipment  
2 Pontoon Bridges [June 2022]

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> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> I’d like a confirmation from someone other than the Express.

Vindication!

> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#):
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> Someone looked intothis and discovered this guy is a retired border guard. Excellent detective work detailed in this Twitter thread:
> 
> [https://twitter.com/ArbiterOfTweets/status/1545651614253555712](https://twitter.com/ArbiterOfTweets/status/1545651614253555712)

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> [@smithsb](#):
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> 2,085 vz. 61 Škorpion Machine Pistols

Geez, I wonder where they stumbled across those. I think the last time I saw one of those even mentioned was in the 1970s. I can see them being used by armored vehicle crews, but I wouldn’t want that to be my main weapon if I was front line infantry. Not much range or accuracy.

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My understanding is Ukrainian forces received considerable partisan training from the west in the years following the 2014 Russian invasion. Remember, the prevailing wisdom was that Ukraine would be conducting primarily guerilla-partisan asymmetric warfare, as Russia would sweep aside Ukrainian conventional forces in a couple of weeks. History has shown that didn’t happen, but all the training and equipment is still in place and being put to good use.

[Explained: The growing partisan movement in Ukraine and its history in Europe | Explained News,The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/ukraine-war-partisan-movement-7983458/)

[Ukraine’s partisans are hitting Russian soldiers behind their own lines | The Economist](https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/06/05/ukraines-partisans-are-hitting-russian-soldiers-behind-their-own-lines)

[How Ukrainians’ Guerilla Warfare Strategy Blindsided Putin’s Mighty Russian Army Amid War - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1rPyNxRLiQ)

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[CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-11-22/h_91c749a13e49253997b9cc1d711739e8):

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> Ukraine’s defense minister has said that the country’s military is massing a “million strong” fighting force to retake lands in southern Ukraine that have been under Russian occupation.
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> Oleksii Reznikov, speaking to British newspaper The Times, said that the offensive would be bolstered by the use of Western weapons.
> 
> …
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> Reznikov said that Ukraine had a force of a million made up of 700,000 servicemen with the other 300,000 would be made up from the national guard, police, border force.

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Ukraine has been fighting in this area for over a month. I’ve seen reports of HIMARS attacks against Russians deployed at Chornobaivka Airport.

Maybe a big counter offensive really is being prepared? They have to soften them up by hitting important targets with HIMARS.

> <https://mobile.twitter.com/euan_macdonald/status/1543150682743750657>
>
> IgorGirkin @GirkinGirkin

> **[Ukrainian forces continue to set conditions for counteroffensive on Kherson -...](https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/07/07/ukrainian-forces-continue-to-set-conditions-for-counteroffensive-on-kherson-isw/)**
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> Ukrainian troops continue to set conditions for a counteroffensive on the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson. The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said this in a Russian offensive campaign assessment for July 6, Ukrinform reports....

> **[Explosions heard in occupied Kherson: a fire in Chornobaivka; Russian...](https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/07/09/explosions-heard-in-occupied-kherson-a-fire-in-chornobaivka-russian-ammunition-detonating/)**
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> Residents of occupied Kherson are reporting explosions, a fire and ammunition that is detonating in Chornobaivka. Ukrainian defenders have struck Russian ammunition depots. Source: Suspilne; first deputy head of the Kherson Oblast Council, Yuriy...

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> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> Ukraine’s defense minister has said that the country’s military is massing a “million strong” fighting force to retake lands in southern Ukraine that have been under Russian occupation.

You wouldn’t normally advertise that sort of thing though surely?

The Belarussians have been conducting “exercises” on Ukraine’s northern border this past week which means Ukraine has to commit troops to defending the area whether or not they think it’s a bluff. This seems like a good story that forces Russia to do a similar thing.

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A few interesting bits from the Economist article from @Cardigan (thanks for posting it!)

Remember the Ukrainian baba handing out sunflower seeds? Another one has taken it a step further, from wishes to action:

> In Izyum, hungry Russian soldiers were purportedly given spiked pies by a seemingly friendly old lady, according to a telephone conversation between a Russian soldier and his girlfriend that was intercepted by Ukrainian intelligence; eight of them reportedly ended up dead.  
> 😱

And in the category of “Why would God need a helicopter?”

> On at least one occasion a helicopter struck an oil-storage facility in the Russian city of Bryansk. Officials in Kyiv refuse to comment on the operations. Speaking off the record, a tight-lipped senior intelligence officer says it would be better to speak to a priest: “This is God’s work. God is punishing the Russian Federation. Maybe not directly. Maybe not with his own hands. Maybe he has to use helicopters.”

Plus, literary criticism:

> The tight-lipped intelligence officer predicts Ukraine’s underground army will prove to be a big asset. He suggests Vladimir Putin’s troops will be forced to beat an ugly retreat. “The Russians will be able to write another ‘War and Peace’. I’ve always been very fond of Tolstoy.”

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> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> “Why would God need a helicopter?”

‘I sent you two boats and a helicopter! What did you expect?’

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**Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6584 "2022-07-11T15:51:31Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> ‘I sent you two boats and a helicopter! What did you expect?’

Excellent Johnny.

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