# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 343
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6905 "2022-07-31T19:37:02Z")
[https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short\_news/vucic-accuses-pristina-of-preparing-assault-on-kosovos-majority-serb-area/](https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/vucic-accuses-pristina-of-preparing-assault-on-kosovos-majority-serb-area/) > [@What\_Exit](#): > > I guess this needs to spin off to a new thread. Perhaps, but I think we can discuss how it would affect the current war in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6906 "2022-07-31T20:55:29Z")
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the conflict in Chechnya reignited either seeing as Russia has pulled quite a few forces out of the region to support the push into Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6907 "2022-07-31T21:01:38Z")
As requested. I will not reply. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6908 "2022-07-31T22:43:11Z")
I doubt this was just bad luck or coincidence. Cite: [Oleksiy Vadatursky: Ukraine grain tycoon killed in Russian shelling of Mykolaiv](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62367356) > [@](#): > > **One of Ukraine’s richest businessmen has been killed with his wife in “massive” Russian shelling of the southern city of Mykolaiv.** > > Oleksiy Vadatursky, 74, and his wife Raisa died when a missile hit their home overnight, local officials said. > > Mr Vadatursky owned Nibulon, a company involved in grain exports. He had also received the “Hero of Ukraine” award. > > Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky described Mr Vadatursky’s death as a great loss. > > Mykolaiv mayor Oleksandr Senkevych said it was probably the heaviest Russian bombardment of the city so far. > > There was damage to a hotel, a sports complex, two schools and a service station, as well as homes. > > Mykolaiv is on the main route to Odesa ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6909 "2022-07-31T23:11:57Z")
I’m getting skeptical very much grain will bs exported. A high profile business owner gets killed. I’ve seen news of bombs landing in crop fields that creates fires. Russia playing the system again. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6910 "2022-08-01T08:14:44Z")
Awesome. Hopefully a lot more ships will deliver grain in the next few months. > ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6911 "2022-08-01T18:32:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A high profile business owner gets killed The Russian leadership really do operate like the mafia. It’s the best way to understand their thinking and I feel sorry for ordinary Russian’s who have to live under the thumbs of Putin and co, even though many of them do not realise their predicament. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6912 "2022-08-02T01:17:02Z")
U.S. officials have contradicted Russian claims that Ukrainian HIMARS were used to strike the Olenivka site where 53 Ukrainian POWs were killed. > **[American-made rocket launchers not used in Ukraine prison strike, U.S. assesses](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/01/us-rockets-not-used-ukraine-prison-strike-00048948)** > > The determination contradicts Russian claims that Ukraine is responsible for the attack. It is highly likely that it was a deliberate Russian war crime. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6913 "2022-08-02T09:17:27Z")
Interesting article about partisan resistance in Kherson. People received training before the war. How to observe and report information and make life uncomfortable for the occupation. They seem optimistic that Ukraine will take back control of this region. > **[Ukraine's shadow army resisting Russian occupation](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62333795)** > > Sarah Rainsford meets the underground partisans resisting Russian occupation in southern Ukraine. > [@](#): > > The partisans are fighting to prevent Russia’s hold over Kherson becoming permanent: to block a referendum that Moscow appears to be planning to stage. Russia has already introduced the rouble and its own mobile phone networks to the region and is pumping its propaganda from state-run TV channels into Ukrainian homes. Local journalists have either fled, or gone to ground. > > The acting head of the region, Dmytro Butrii, now exiled to Mykolaiv and a small back office protected by sandbags, insists that a vote on joining Russia would be a sham, a “total fake” and unrecognised by any “civilised” government. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6914 "2022-08-02T12:11:46Z")
550 million doesn’t buy a lot any more. 😉 The HIMARS rockets must be very expensive. > **[US to send another $550M in ammunition for rocket systems, howitzers to Ukraine](https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2022-08-01/ukraine-russia-war-military-aid-6842401.html)** > > The aid will include 75,000 rounds of ammunition for 155mm howitzers and an unspecified number of additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, also known as HIMARS, the U.S. has recently sent Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6915 "2022-08-02T12:43:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The HIMARS rockets must be very expensive. Smart is expensive. But if you only use one instead of a full salvo of six, it’s probably a net savings. An article from May: > **[Will the United States Provide Long-Range Rockets to Ukraine?](https://www.csis.org/analysis/will-united-states-provide-long-range-rockets-ukraine)** > > Ukrainian officials have been asking for long-range rocket systems, and the administration seems inclined to provide them, but Russia objects. What are these systems? What capabilities would they provide, and why are they controversial? > [@](#): > > Although expensive ($160,000 each), GMLRS is still in production, which mitigates concerns about effects on U.S. readiness for other potential conflicts. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6916 "2022-08-02T14:26:28Z")
If anyone is on the fence about Russian intentions or “special operations”: Oh Medvedev. Visegrád 24 on Twitter: “BREAKING: Dmitri Medvedev has written online that: - Russia will retake Ukraine - Ukraine is “a fake nation” - Russia will recreate the USSR - Russia will retake Georgia after UA - Russia will retake Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan is currently executing a genocide against Russians. [https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1554411971063300097/photo/1](https://t.co/eJWDw2E0RS)” / Twitter “We are going to restore the borders of our motherland, which, as is known, do not end anywhere.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6917 "2022-08-02T14:37:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The HIMARS rockets must be very expensive. It’s extremely cheap compared to its huge impact on the war. Theoretically, the U.S. and Ukraine could totally turn around the course/tide of the war for just, say, 1/300th of the overall American defense budget - the cost of a few thousand GMLRS. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6918 "2022-08-02T15:29:19Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > “We are going to restore the borders of our motherland, which, as is known, do not end anywhere.” I’d have to go with a toss-up between being up late, doing the drugs and posting shit like ya do, versus that his account was hacked I’d lean towards hacked since I don’t see Russia trying to pay any attention to Kazakhstan right now. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6919 "2022-08-02T15:50:01Z")
He’s claimed he was hacked, but what he wrote is not inconsistent with his recent postings. > [@](#): > > “He’s trying to save himself from political oblivion by out-Heroding Herod, and consequently posturing as a candidate in a Kremlin Apprentice show,” said Ekaterina Schulmann, a Russian political scientist at the Robert Bosch Academy in Berlin. > **[‘I hate them’: Dmitry Medvedev’s journey from liberal to anti-western hawk](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/01/dmitry-medvedev-journey-liberal-anti-west-hawk-russia)** > > Critics say former Russian leader’s furious tirades are a desperate attempt to retain political relevance ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6920 "2022-08-02T16:21:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d lean towards hacked since I don’t see Russia trying to pay any attention to Kazakhstan right now. Not so. Major pissing contest after K-stan offers more energy exports to EU. > **[Russia shuts down terminal after Kazakhstan offers to send more oil to the EU](https://www.euractiv.com/section/central-asia/news/russia-shuts-down-terminal-after-kazakhstan-offers-to-send-more-oil-to-the-eu/)** > > A Russian court closed a key oil terminal for the export of Kazakh oil on 6 July, two days after the President of Kazakhstan told Council President Charles Michel that his country is ready to send more oil to the EU. > **[Russia blocks Kazakhstan’s main outlet for oil exports](https://eurasianet.org/russia-blocks-kazakhstans-main-outlet-for-oil-exports)** > > Russia has forced the shutdown of a pipeline that Kazakhstan uses to deliver the bulk of its oil, the country's main export commodity. Analysts suspect the move is political. [https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/kazakhstan-voices-readiness-to-help-ease-global-energy-crisis-2022-7-5-14/#:~:text=Kazakhstan%20is%20a%20major%20energy,supplier%2C%20after%20Russia%20and%20Norway](https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/kazakhstan-voices-readiness-to-help-ease-global-energy-crisis-2022-7-5-14/#:~:text=Kazakhstan%20is%20a%20major%20energy,supplier%2C%20after%20Russia%20and%20Norway). ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6921 "2022-08-02T16:33:27Z")
Not only did Kazakhstan refuse to provide troops to aid the Russian invasion they have said they will not recognise the so-called republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. Then they sent aid to Ukraine. No doubt the Russians are already plotting to install a more Russian friendly government in Kazakhstan somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6922 "2022-08-02T17:56:43Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6923 "2022-08-02T17:58:27Z")
Winning the hearts and minds… ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6924 "2022-08-02T18:37:19Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > He’s claimed he was hacked “I was hacked” = “I threw some shit out there to see if it would fly, but it didn’t, so I’m disavowing it” Can also be blamed on an intern. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=342) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=344)