# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 354
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7125 "2022-08-15T12:53:41Z")
I would say Russian supply has been significantly diminished for the forces located on the north bank of the Dneiper River. You know that Russian command is gravely concerned by this turn of events, because they actually diverted considerable forces to the south that were allocated to their main strategic objectives in the east. That’s usually a big no-no in terms of military strategy, unless it’s to stave off a big disaster. Losing Kherson would be a decisive political (and military) loss. I must say that identifying and taking out the chokepoints supplying Kherson was a good piece of generalship on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise, they currently have nowhere near enough forces to stage an effective counter-offensive to retake the city. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7126 "2022-08-15T13:04:23Z")
I seen reports that leaders in Kherson should have blown the bridges on day 1 of the war. I doubt it would have been saved from a sustained attack. The Sievierodonetsk bridges were blown and Russian artillery eventually made occupation possible. The Russian forces in Kherson may be less inclined to die defending the city. Ukraine may eventually recover that territory. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7127 "2022-08-15T13:38:30Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Of course: Or Runyon’s law, _The race is not always to the swift nor victory to the strong, but that’s the way to bet._ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7128 "2022-08-15T14:00:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A posted photo by Russian war correspondent Sergei Sreda gave away information on Wagner’s HQ. ISTM this isn’t the first time a Russian war correspondent’s reporting has resulted in a strike. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7129 "2022-08-15T14:18:35Z")
They never learn. Theres a white sign behind them. This is the photo linked in articles. I assume the tall guy without a mask is the journalist. It doesn’t look very impressive. Maybe the equivalent of a temporary US battalion HQ? [![](https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/0qc9CyUi4vgA42yx6iIuqc.jpg?op=ocroped&val=1200,1200,1000,1000,0,0&sum=s_zWO-TFN-8) ](https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/0qc9CyUi4vgA42yx6iIuqc.jpg?op=ocroped&val=1200,1200,1000,1000,0,0&sum=s_zWO-TFN-8) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7130 "2022-08-15T14:30:55Z")
I hope the cats survived. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7131 "2022-08-15T14:31:57Z")
Ha! I thought the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7132 "2022-08-15T15:39:22Z")
They do have 9 lives. 😉 hopefully they scampered away in time. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7133 "2022-08-15T16:13:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Theres a white sign behind them. No kidding. I’m pretty sure it says Vul. Myronivska 12 on it – no Google Street view images of it, but there is a road on the south of Popasnaya leading into the town. You can get some pictures of a cafe near there that matches the general brickwork shown in the photo. It wasn’t that easy, was it? (Also, it’s possible the sign is not the address of that location, but rather of something else, like say, the building owner.) ETA: Of course, I should have googled the address first to see many others are discussing this and have figured it out independently: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/wodxab/apparently\_a\_photo\_was\_put\_on\_the\_internet/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/wodxab/apparently_a_photo_was_put_on_the_internet/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7134 "2022-08-16T07:17:15Z")
All is not rosy in Putin’s Army. The LNR makes a valid point. It doesn’t make sense to continue fighting in another region of Ukraine. It’s a good reminder that all Russian forces aren’t the same. Cite [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 15 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-15) > [@](#): > > **Elements of the Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) militia reportedly refused to continue fighting in Donetsk Oblast and complained about the grueling pace of offensives outside of Luhansk Oblast.** The emotional significance of recent Russian targets in Donetsk Oblast resonates with audiences in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR), but not with LNR audiences tired of grueling offensives beyond their claimed borders. Several Ukrainian channels shared a video on August 15 of soldiers from LNR Battalion 2740 refusing to fight for the DNR.[1] The soldiers claim that they celebrated victory on July 3, when LNR forces reached the borders of Luhansk Oblast, and that their work is done. At least one Russian milblogger has criticized the LNR servicemembers for desiring Russian support for their own ”liberation” and then refusing to fight in Donetsk Oblast.[2] ISW cannot independently verify the origin or authenticity of this particular video. Its message reflects a larger trend of diminished LNR investment in and morale to support the Russian war in Ukraine, however. This trend is particularly dangerous to Russian forces seeking to recruit still more new soldiers from Luhansk Oblast to make up for recent losses. Further division within Russian-led forces also threatens to further impede the efficiency of the Russian war effort. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7135 "2022-08-16T09:53:30Z")
Another loss in Crimea. > **[Moscow blames saboteurs for explosions that rock ammo dump in Russian-annexed...](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ammunition-depot-explodes-northern-crimea-tass-citing-local-authorities-2022-08-16/)** > > Russia on Tuesday blamed saboteurs for orchestrating a series of explosions at an ammunition depot in Russian-annexed Crimea, a rare admission that armed groups loyal to Ukraine are damaging military logistics and supply lines on territory it... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7136 "2022-08-16T10:01:16Z")
It was reported yesterday that the traffic jam of vehicles attempting to leave Crimea was many miles long. Crimea is no longer a popular Russian holiday destination. Other news: > > ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7137 "2022-08-16T10:02:36Z")
They should have heeded the words of a famous Russian: _Garibaldi: No boom?_ _Sinclair: No boom._ _Ivanova: No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There’s always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody’s got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM!_ ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7138 "2022-08-16T10:55:30Z")
The Ukrainians must have thought long and hard about attacking sites in Crimea as well as how to do it. The Russian’s regard it as their territory so they might perceived as an attack on Russia itself and use that as a reason to escalate. However Russia doesn’t want to admit that locations in “it’s” territory can be vulnerable nor create the impression that the army is on the back foot. And in order to encourage this stance the Ukrainians are not publicly admitting responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7139 "2022-08-16T11:06:19Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > and use that as a reason to escalate I’m reminded of one scene in Life of Brian. “[Making it worse? How could it be worse? Crimea, Crimea, Crimea!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfAerW3ENg)” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7140 "2022-08-16T11:08:01Z")
I didn’t see any missiles hit the ammunition storage. Probably partisans. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7141 "2022-08-16T11:09:59Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Crimea is no longer a popular Russian holiday destination. This makes me think of the scene from Hot Shots where Saddam Hussein is lazing in a chaise-longue when a big ol’ iron bomb lands in his lap. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7142 "2022-08-16T16:44:41Z")
If y’all have a chance (and access) the Washington Post has a long in depth article today about the run up to the invasion. Very enlightening read. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7143 "2022-08-16T21:28:53Z")
I was trying to think how Ukraine might try to take back cities without having to shell them into nothing, the way that Russia has been doing. In general, I feel like they would largely need to focus on cutting off supply paths from over the border. The problem there being that there’s not much you can do to block off a road or train track that isn’t fairly easily undone. I’d wonder if anyone has experimented with expanding foam as a quick-blockade technology? ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7144 "2022-08-16T23:12:46Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > In general, I feel like they would largely need to focus on cutting off supply paths from over the border. The problem there being that there’s not much you can do to block off a road or train track that isn’t fairly easily undone. I think they’ll have to do it the old fashioned way. With infantry. Mostly because until they get to the Russian border, they probably wouldn’t want to block off those roads. After all, they will be using them to advance further once their initial objectives have been achieved. ETA. I’m referring to the roads east of Kherson. Crimea is obviously a different story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=353) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=355)