# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 360
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7245 "2022-08-20T17:37:04Z")
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**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7246 "2022-08-20T17:40:41Z")
Moderating: To all: This thread is for breaking news posts only. It is not for political discussion. * * * @thescrr: > [@thescrr](#): > > I’m actually pro Russia on this one and hope for world peace but it doesn’t help when NATO and US forces are expanding their powers. There is a great youtube video that explains how the West started this from a long time ago…a lecture from 7 years ago: [Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4) This is an overtly political post. Please acquaint yourself with our rules and don’t make such posts in a Breaking News thread again. > [@Terms of Service and FAQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/registration-agreement-rules-and-faq/823562): > > Terms of Service The current Terms of Service may be viewed [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/tos). Not a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7247 "2022-08-20T17:40:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7248 "2022-08-20T19:28:50Z")
**RFE/RL’s Ukrainian Service** August 20, 2022 [Drone Strikes Headquarters Of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet In Ukraine’s Occupied Crimea Region](https://www.rferl.org/a/drone-strike-russia-black-sea-fleed-ukraine-crimea/31996886.html) - The headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine’s occupied Crimea region was hit by a drone attack early on August 20, a Russia-installed administrator reported. - Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Moscow-installed administrator of the port city of Sevastopol, [posted on Telegram](https://t.me/razvozhaev/901) that the drone crashed into the roof of the building and that there were no casualties. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7249 "2022-08-20T19:38:20Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7250 "2022-08-20T21:41:49Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > If things get really sour for the russians in Kherson … does anybody doubt they’d blow up this huge dam upstream and possibly drown the town and possibly tens or hundrets of 1000s of people … just “ **because** ” [They did that before during WWII.](https://www.rferl.org/a/european-remembrance-day-ukraine-little-known-ww2-tragedy/25083847.html) > In 1941, as Nazi German troops swept through Soviet-era Ukraine, Josef Stalin’s secret police blew up a hydroelectric dam in the southern city of Zaporizhzhya to slow the Nazi advance. > > The explosion flooded villages along the banks of the Dnieper River, killing thousands of civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7251 "2022-08-20T21:42:21Z")
What is the ground-level fog I keep seeing in video footage of the nuclear plant? Is this some kind of distributed cooling tower/field thingie? Good example in the pic at the top of this article: > **[Ukraine Calls for Demilitarized Zone Around Russian-Occupied Nuclear Power Plant](https://www.democracynow.org/2022/8/9/headlines/ukraine_calls_for_demilitarized_zone_around_russian_occupied_nuclear_power_plant)** > > The head of Ukraine’s state-run nuclear power company is calling on Russia and Ukraine to adopt a five-kilometer-wide demilitarized zone around the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, after fighting over the weekend damaged safety equipment at the... ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7252 "2022-08-20T21:47:19Z")
I think so. A large open air pool is by the plant, with what appears to be a sprinkler system. Waste storage? That would often cause local fog/mist that might spread quite a bit at the right temperatures and such. But that area might be just for cooling reactor water? Same fog effect though. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7253 "2022-08-20T22:12:42Z")
When families split over the war; Russian member of upper house calls daughter “traitor” > **[Russian Lawmaker Denounces Daughter As 'Traitor' For Opposing Ukraine War](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-lawmaker-denounces-daughter-traitor-ukraine-war/31996949.html)** > > A member of the Federation Council, the upper chamber of Russia’s legislature, has denounced his own daughter as a "traitor" after she gave an interview in which she denounced Russia’s unprovoked invasion of neighboring Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7254 "2022-08-21T01:46:01Z")
Latest 8-20-2022 aid package piecemeal listing. The new assistance package will include: 16 105mm howitzers and ammunition [36,000 105 mm artillery rounds] AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM) [qty not specified] Ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems [qty not specified] 15 Scan Eagle reconnaissance drones 1,000 Javelins mine clearing equipment 40 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles with mine clearance rollers, to allow Ukrainian troops to travel through areas rigged with mines; 1,500 TOW [tube-launched optically tracked wire-guided] missiles [1st time for TOWs, exact version not specified, probably includes tripods for launching from HUMVEEs. 2,000 anti-armor rounds [reloads for Carl Gustav - AT4 launchers] 84mm rockets. 50 Humvees Tactical secure communication systems Night vision devices Thermal imagery systems Optics and laser range finders Demolition equipment ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7255 "2022-08-21T01:59:41Z")
I always appreciate your updates on the war material. Especially intriguing have those updates delivered by Toad. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7256 "2022-08-21T02:10:47Z")
Darya Dugin, Alexander Dugin’s daughter was just assassinated in Moscow with a car bomb. Unclear if she was the target or who was behind it. Either way, good riddance. Curious if it was house cleaning or Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7257 "2022-08-21T02:36:29Z")
Her father Alexander Dugin was the likely target. Though it still will make the point. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7258 "2022-08-21T02:47:12Z")
Maybe I’m just too sensitive, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to go after a Putin henchman’s family members who aren’t involved in Dad’s political activities. Seems ethically shaky to me. I’m hoping Dad, who would be a valid target, was in fact the intended target, and it was very bad luck for his daughter. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7259 "2022-08-21T03:11:57Z")
She was the same political animal as the father. Outspokenly in favor of the Ukraine “special operation.” She did TV and social media posts. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7260 "2022-08-21T03:12:06Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > Maybe I’m just too sensitive, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to go after a Putin henchman’s family members who aren’t involved in Dad’s political activities. Seems ethically shaky to me. [Daughter of Putin Propagandist Killed in Car Bomb Outside Moscow](https://www.thedailybeast.com/darya-dugina-daughter-of-putin-propagandist-alexander-dugin-killed-in-car-bomb-reports-say?ref=scroll) > Darya Dugina had been outspoken in her support of Russia’s war against Ukraine. As evidence began to pile up in April of Russian war crimes in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha, Dugina argued in an [interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWXraoHsD4)that the slaughter of civilians had been staged, bizarrely claiming that the U.S. had chosen the city because in English the name sounds like “butcher.” She was also [sanctioned](https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20220303) by the U.S. government in March in connection with her role in a Kremlin-run influence operation known as Project Lakhta. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7261 "2022-08-21T03:33:32Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > Maybe I’m just too sensitive, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to go after a Putin henchman’s family members who aren’t involved in Dad’s political activities. Seems ethically shaky to me. > > I’m hoping Dad, who would be a valid target, was in fact the intended target, and it was very bad luck for his daughter. To me it seems very possible the attack came from Russian political rivals, or other Russian-concerned source — rather than from someone trying to assist Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7262 "2022-08-21T03:35:31Z")
I hadn’t known the daughter was firmly in her father’s political camp. Don’t feel QUITE so bad now, since she’s a fan of the “let’s take away our neighbors’ autonomy” bit. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7263 "2022-08-21T04:12:13Z")
I read that her dad was the thought to be the target and was expected to be in the car. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7264 "2022-08-21T04:18:32Z")
However odious he may be, he’s a civilian. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=359) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=361)