# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 366
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7365 "2022-08-25T10:19:57Z")
Well, there was a attack on a Russian. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7366 "2022-08-25T13:13:39Z")
that is magnificent! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7367 "2022-08-25T13:19:27Z")
It seems strategically important that Russia didn’t give a FU to Ukraine on Independence Day. Especially after the Moscow car bomb. I was fully expecting to see a city wiped out. The HIMARS and other attacks must be effective. Russia will spon restock and reset. I wish Ukraine had the weapons to counterstrike before that happens. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7368 "2022-08-25T13:24:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The $3 billion new arms package appears to contain NASAMS and some of the laser-guided Hydra 70 rockets that were modified. Anyone found good non-paywalled links with an inventory of the latest package? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7369 "2022-08-25T13:34:26Z")
> [@](#): > > - Six more NASAMS along with unspecified “additional munitions” for them > - “VAMPIRE Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems” > - Unspecified Laser-guided rocket systems > - Up to 245,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition > - As many as 65,000 rounds of 120mm mortar ammunition > - Up to 24 unspecified counter-artillery radars > - Additional RQ-20 Puma drones and “support equipment” for a previously announced transfer of Scan Eagle unmanned aircraft > - Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment. > **[NASAMS Air Defenses, 310k Artillery Rounds In Huge $3B Ukraine Aid Package](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/nasams-air-defenses-310k-artillery-rounds-in-huge-3b-ukraine-aid-package)** > > 'Vampire' counter-drone systems are also included in the new tranche of aid, which is the largest single American package announced to date. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7370 "2022-08-25T13:34:49Z")
So, NASAMS (which are ground-based, short- to medium-range, air-defense rocket systems) and Hydra rockets (which are launched from helicopters, typically). Just reading between the lines, here, but that sounds like munitions one would need if one were, say, planning a broad counteroffensive and wanted to help establish air superiority over the battlefield while simultaneously providing support to ground troops. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7371 "2022-08-25T13:49:57Z")
Its definitely time to shit or get off the pot. Russia is reeling from the HIMARS attacks on their munitions depots. There’s a short window to counterattack before winter. Hopefully this new weapons package will make it possible. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7372 "2022-08-25T14:20:04Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > So, NASAMS (which are ground-based, short- to medium-range, air-defense rocket systems) and Hydra rockets (which are launched from helicopters, typically). > > Just reading between the lines, here, but that sounds like munitions one would need if one were, say, planning a broad counteroffensive and wanted to help establish air superiority over the battlefield while simultaneously providing support to ground troops. It sounds like NASAMS aren’t so much an offensive weapon as a ground-based air defense system used to protect airspace around valuable installations or cities. The Hydra rockets could certainly be used in an offensive capacity, but I find the air to ground rocket pods a curious choice, as they’re typically mounted on attack helicopters. Last I heard, Ukraine had barely a handful of attack helicopters before the war started. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7373 "2022-08-25T14:26:49Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > The Hydra rockets could certainly be used in an offensive capacity, but I find the air to ground rocket pods a curious choice, as they’re typically mounted on attack helicopters. It’s speculated that they will be used in a land-based configuration. > > > Liz Friden @Liz\_Friden ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7374 "2022-08-25T14:43:29Z")
Belarusian President Lukashenko [wished the Ukrainians](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-rejects-cynical-independence-day-greeting-by-belarusian-leader-2022-08-24/) “peaceful skies, tolerance, courage, strength and success in restoring a decent life” on their independence day. The Ukrainians aren’t buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7375 "2022-08-25T15:00:35Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > It sounds like NASAMS aren’t so much an offensive weapon as a ground-based air defense system used to protect airspace around valuable installations or cities. Well, that’s sort of what I meant about the NASAMS. As the Russians learned, you really need to establish air superiority in a given area before launching an offensive. NASAMS would help considerably with that by keeping Russian jets and helicopters away. But you’re right; it’s also feasible they’d be using these to protect cities or other areas from Russian rockets. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7376 "2022-08-25T15:01:35Z")
Curious why Russia didn’t try to arm Iraq in 2003 the way we’re arming Ukraine now. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7377 "2022-08-25T15:08:58Z")
My guess is that doing so might have worked to the detriment of one of their biggest clients - Assad. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7378 "2022-08-25T15:14:01Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Apparently Russia wasn’t able to fire a bombardment of cruise missiles on Ukraine’s Independence Day. Perhaps the recent airfield attacks made launching them more difficult. Russia did lose some bombers. They did find a way to get aggressive, though. > **[Putin signs decree to increase size of Russian military; 25 confirmed dead...](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html)** > > The death toll rose following a Russian rocket strike on a train station in central Ukraine on its independence day. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7379 "2022-08-25T16:43:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Curious why Russia didn’t try to arm Iraq in 2003 the way we’re arming Ukraine now. Bush and Putin were buddies. He even called him pooty-poo. Now we know Putin was playing a long game strategy. He fooled a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7380 "2022-08-25T16:53:51Z")
N/M wrong T ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7381 "2022-08-25T20:50:11Z")
This is not good. > **[Zelenskiy says radiation accident narrowly avoided at Ukraine nuclear power...](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-world-must-act-faster-get-russia-out-nuclear-plant-2022-08-25/)** > > The world narrowly avoided a radiation accident at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear station in Ukraine on Thursday after power was cut to the two remaining working reactors, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7382 "2022-08-26T00:41:40Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7383 "2022-08-26T07:19:50Z")
Don’t the Russians at the power plant understand they’ll get radiation contamination first? I don’t know how much time they’ll have to evacuate? Needless to say the soldiers won’t make any effort to save the locals. Cite [Nuclear plant came close to ‘radiation disaster’, says Zelenskiy, amid calls for urgent UN visit | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/26/zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-ukraine-russia-europe-radiation-disaster) > [@](#): > > Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said the world narrowly avoided a “radiation disaster” as the last regular line supplying electricity to Ukraine’s Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant was restored hours after being cut by shelling. > > The Ukranian president said officials from the International Atomic [Energy](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/energy) Agency (IAEA), the UN’s nuclear watchdog, must be given urgent access to the site. > > Zelenskiy blamed shelling on Thursday by Russia’s military for fires in the ash pits of a nearby coal power station that disconnected the reactor complex, Europe’s largest such facility, from the power grid. He said back-up diesel generators ensured power supply and kept the plant safe. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7384 "2022-08-26T07:44:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Don’t the Russians at the power plant understand they’ll get radiation contamination first? Seeing as the Russians (formerly) around Chernobyl dug foxholes in the contaminated soil, I’m going to say the answer is “no”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=365) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=367)