# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 371
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7465 "2022-09-02T19:05:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > NATO has denied Ukraine any significant tactical advantage. They’ve supplied just enough weapons for a slow counter offense. _Perhaps that is a wise decision_. A crushing Ukrainian counter offense could bring tactical Nukes from Russia. I can’t tell if this is Poe’s Law. We really need to stop “negotiating against ourselves” like this. We’ve intimidated ourselves by this blown-up intimidating image of Russia and what it _might_ do in our exaggerated imagination than what it actually would do in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7466 "2022-09-02T22:31:38Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s raining ~~men~~ oligarchs halleluya!!! ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7467 "2022-09-02T22:43:31Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Thing is, this guy wasn’t even that heavy a critic. But Putin has redrawn the lines of acceptability since the invasion. And the oligarchs only exist with his blessing. but then again, sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you … may putin live well into his 70th year!!! ;o) > [@aceplace57](#): > > NATO has denied Ukraine any significant tactical advantage. They’ve supplied just enough weapons for a slow counter offense. _Perhaps that is a wise decision_. A crushing Ukrainian counter offense could bring tactical Nukes from Russia. I agree, Ukr. was smart enough to start bombing the krim and Nowgorod _SLOWLY_ … and then build from it and ramp it up … just like the frog in warm water metaphore So 1 or 2 timid holes in his new kerch bridge to begin (to allow the russian prime TV laugh the attack off) … then let them patch it up and after 2 weeks make some 3 or 4 holes more … repeate application if needed … ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7468 "2022-09-02T22:59:34Z")
Maybe…when Putin meets his end…it can come in the form of introduction to Isaac Newton’s theory…from the 12th floor ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7469 "2022-09-03T01:38:41Z")
Remember that Stalin (whom he emulates, as well as the other guy) apparently died of old age at the age of 74. I wouldn’t mind seeing him get the Nicolae Ceaușescu treatment (or the end of the other guy). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7470 "2022-09-03T02:30:18Z")
Extensive list of German contributions to Ukraine. Germany has been maligned some for blocking and delaying deliveries but is behind only the US and UK in contributions. List is here. > **[Fact Sheet On German Military Aid To Ukraine](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/09/fact-sheet-on-german-military-aid-to.html)** > > By Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans   Contrary to popular perception, Germany has delivered significant amounts of arms and equipment to Ukra... Last entry in article points to aid from other western countries in Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7471 "2022-09-03T15:26:53Z")
The tally of Russian tank losses in Ukraine has now passed a thousand, according to Oryx’s count of equipment losses in the war. Since the count is derived from open-source information, it is likely an undercount. According to the Ukrainian military, Russia has lost 2,034 tanks. > **[Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022...](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html)** > > By Stijn Mitzer  and  Jakub Janovsky   in collaboration with  Joost Oliemans,  Kemal ,  Dan , and  naalsio26     This list only includes de... This bar chart, derived from the Oryx data, shows that older Soviet-era tanks are making up an increasing proportion of Russian tank losses, suggesting that Russia is running out of their newer tanks. > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7472 "2022-09-03T16:06:08Z")
For the last two or three days, Russian sources have been claiming that Ukrainian special forces launched a big attack across the river against Enerhodar, where the nuclear power station is, while providing no evidence of this. The Russians claim that the Ukrainian raiders were eliminated. Today a video was released, showing supposed Ukrainian corpses on the battlefield. However, there are no signs of blood or wounds and, moreover, the colour of the corpses’ skin is decidedly pink and alive-looking. Looks staged, and I don’t believe this purported attack ever happened. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7473 "2022-09-03T17:18:40Z")
It seems it did happen. Possibly a second attempt as well. Sources I use all seem to concur. Ukrainian defense sources are being very quiet about everything since the counter offense started, so hard to get a grip on what is happening. Seems that Ukraine forces are taking heavy losses and getting pushed back from their gains over the last few days. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7474 "2022-09-03T17:25:14Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Sources I use all seem to concur. Well there’s your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7475 "2022-09-03T17:58:02Z")
AP reports that this is what the Russians are claiming. Russia is not the most credible of sources. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7476 "2022-09-03T18:15:29Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > It seems it did happen. Possibly a second attempt as well. Sources I use all seem to concur. Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement? The claim seems to be that between 60 and 250 Ukrainian commandos on between 15 and 42 boats, depending on source, launched an amphibious assault on Enerhodar. The staged-looking videos notwithstanding, such an operation doesn’t make any sense to me. Firstly, any boats would have to cross the 5 km-wide river/reservoir to get there, so very risky. Secondly, supplying/reinforcing across the river would be even more risky - I would say impossible, but the Ukrainians managed to supply the besieged Azovstal defenders at Mariupol by helicopter. So it would be nigh on impossible for Ukrainian forces to hold any territory across the river. Extricating soldiers back across the water would also be extremely risky, so it would be verging on a suicide mission. What would the Ukrainain military hope to accomplish by such an operation if they could not hold territory? There doesn’t appear to be any benefit in sabotaging a nuclear plant, particularly when UN experts are visiting to inspect its safety, and certainly when the chances of death/capture for all those undertaking the mission would be so high. That’s not to mention the fact that Ukraine would have more to lose than anyone by any potential nuclear accident that might happen with any military action taking place at the plant. > [@Kedikat](#): > > Ukrainian defense sources are being very quiet about everything… > > …seems that Ukraine forces are taking heavy losses and getting pushed back from their gains over the last few days. Well there’s your problem. You are not hearing from Ukrainian sources and you are hearing from Russian sources. The Russians are noted liars. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7477 "2022-09-03T18:29:06Z")
Latest report indicates some progress. > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7478 "2022-09-03T19:46:01Z")
Strange news. Since when does a despot, albeit a puppet sub-despot, voluntarily vacate his position? Maybe the FSB asking if they could install some windows in the top floor of his palace made him suspicious. If I were a Russian, I’d live in a bungalow. > **[‘My time has come’: Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov says he wants to quit](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/my-time-has-come-chechen-warlord-ramzan-kadyrov-says-he-wants-to-quit/ar-AA11qTA6?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6617123022d749a5a660bd577b54ebe8)** > > President of Chechnya, and one of Vladimir Putin’s biggest supporters, declares he doesn’t want to ‘outstay’ his welcome ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7479 "2022-09-03T23:43:53Z")
The head of the IAEA was shown a missile sticking out the ground near the nuclear plant by the Russians. He pointed out that the missile was sticking out the ground at an angle that shows the trajectory appeared to come from a Russian occupied region. The Russian replied that the missile made a 180 degree turn just before it hit the ground. 🤦 [![](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Zap.jpg?w=770&resize=770%2C568) ](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Zap.jpg?w=770&resize=770%2C568) I always thought the Russian thing of denying something in an unconvincing manner (“we were just here to visit Canterbury Cathedral”, “it exploded because someone was smoking near it”) was just a kind of mocking irony, like a sort of ‘fuck you’ to the world. But I’m starting to think they are just terrible liars. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7480 "2022-09-04T00:57:20Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > But I’m starting to think they are just terrible liars. After a while, you gotta wonder, right? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7481 "2022-09-04T04:28:31Z")
On the Kherson counteroffensive, from today’s ISW campaign assessment: > [@](#): > > **Ukrainian officials directly stated on September 3 that the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine is an intentionally methodical operation to degrade Russian forces and logistics, rather than one aimed at immediately recapturing large swathes of territory.** Ukrainian Presidential Advisor Oleksiy Arestovych told the _Wall Street Journal_ on September 3 that the current goal of Ukrainian forces in the south is the “systemic grinding of Putin’s army and that Ukrainian troops are slowly and systematically uncovering and destroying Russia’s operational logistical supply system with artillery and precision weapon strikes. Arestovych’s statement echoes ISW’s assessment that the ongoing counteroffensive will likely not result in immediate gains and that Ukrainian forces seek to disrupt key logistics nodes that support Russian operations in the south and chip away at Russian military capabilities. > **[Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-3)** > > Ukrainian officials directly stated on September 3 that the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine is an intentionally methodical operation to degrade Russian forces and logistics, rather than one aimed at immediately recapturing... ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7482 "2022-09-04T04:29:26Z")
Hopefully that’s true and not coping. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7483 "2022-09-04T04:43:37Z")
This would tend to support the Ukrainian statements about their offensive. > **[US war-gamed with Ukraine ahead of counteroffensive and encouraged more...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/31/politics/ukraine-us-wargames-counteroffensive/index.html)** > > In the buildup to the current Ukrainian counteroffensive, the US urged Kyiv to keep the operation limited in both its objectives and its geography to avoid getting overextended and bogged down on multiple fronts, multiple US and western officials and... ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7484 "2022-09-04T16:38:39Z")
interesting tweet … > … if true - I get a WWII flashback … > **[Second Schweinfurt raid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schweinfurt_raid)** > > 291 B-17 Flying Fortresses > The second Schweinfurt raid, also called Black Thursday, was a World War II air battle that took place on 14 October 1943, over Nazi Germany between forces of the United States 8th Air Force and German Luftwaffe fighter arm (Jagdwaffe). The American bombers conducted a strategic bombing raid on ball bearing factories to reduce production of these vital parts for all manner of war machines. This was the second attack on the factories at Schweinfurt. American wartime i... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=370) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=372)