# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 372
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7485 "2022-09-04T16:51:29Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > Swedish SKF closed their factory in Tver (RU) in mars (quoted by, not written by, @Al128 ) Closed their factory in Mars? The boycott’s spread wider than I realized. (Typo/autoincorrect for March, maybe? Or is there someplace in Sweden called Mars and I’m just being a geographical ignoramus?) ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7486 "2022-09-04T16:54:40Z")
I can totally “see” this … Elon Musk landing on mars with some “Small step…” cite at hand, just to be whisked away by a swedish parking-space assistant … Sorry sir you can’t park here, that’s for SKF management only ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7487 "2022-09-04T17:01:07Z")
_mars_ is Swedish for the month of March. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7488 "2022-09-04T18:16:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I find ISW analysis helpful. I am puzzled why they aren’t factoring in the upcoming snow and mud of winter. It’s conceivable that the Institute for the Study of War actually _has_ factored in the upcoming snow and mud of winter but didn’t tell you. I’m certainly not an expert but my theory is that winter happens every October - March in Ukraine, and furthermore, it’s usually accompanied by snow and mud. I’ll stick my neck out even more and speculate that the ISW is aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7489 "2022-09-04T21:08:34Z")
Highest precipitation months are in the summer. Fall and winter are lower. So it seems there will not be too much mud issue in the fall and winter. Spring is the worst. As accumulated precipitation melts and water logged ground thaws. So it may be several months yet, before ground conditions are worst. Consider that the invasion happened in February and went through last spring. So there is that as a real world example to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7490 "2022-09-04T21:12:13Z")
ISW analysis is _descriptive_ … not projective there seems to be very little snow this late-summer in Ukraine - hence there isn’t any mentioned by them. They did mention snow and mud in march, along with their analysis that this forces the russians to stick to roads and makes them predictable targets for drones. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7491 "2022-09-04T21:15:55Z")
now that’s too funny … . [![](https://i.redd.it/hlak5cg5wul91.jpg) ](https://i.redd.it/hlak5cg5wul91.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7492 "2022-09-04T21:19:49Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > Because Swedish SKF closed their factory in Tver (RU) in mars and the output produced was for the RU railways. > [https://twitter.com/TengstromAnders/status/1566358832422477828](https://twitter.com/TengstromAnders/status/1566358832422477828) This isn’t just a war of attrition. it’s a study of logistics. Knowing the supply line behind the supply line is as important as knowing frontline military tactics. An army marches on it’s stomach and trains play an important role in that. Without firing a shot the Swedes have interrupted supply lines. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7493 "2022-09-04T21:27:27Z")
Star Wars™. Powered by Etch-A-Sketch. > **[How Russia Uses Low Tech in Its High-Tech Weapons](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/04/us/politics/russia-missiles-ukraine.html)** > > Investigators who examined the electronics in Russia’s newest cruise missiles and attack helicopters were surprised to find decades-old technology reused from earlier models. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7494 "2022-09-04T22:02:12Z")
> **[Ukrainian Armed Forces strike Russian military convoy on Zaporizhzhia front,...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-armed-forces-strike-russian-033918775.html)** > > SATURDAY, 3 SEPTEMBER 2022, 06:39 The Armed Forces of Ukraine have killed a number of Russian military personnel on the Zaporizhzhia front. Ukrainian Intelligence reports that Ukrainian forces struck a convoy of Russian trucks heading for Berdiansk;... > SATURDAY, 3 SEPTEMBER 2022, 06:39 > > The Armed Forces of Ukraine have killed a number of Russian military personnel on the Zaporizhzhia front. Ukrainian Intelligence reports that Ukrainian forces struck a convoy of Russian trucks heading for Berdiansk; one of the trucks was carrying the bodies of soldiers killed in battle to the Berdiansk crematorium. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7495 "2022-09-04T22:17:24Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Highest precipitation months are in the summer. Fall and winter are lower. So it seems there will not be too much mud issue in the fall and winter. Spring To the extent Saskatchewan climate is very similar to Ukraine’s, I would agree. Winter the ground is frozen hard and whatever snow comes down just gets packed on the roads, if not ploughed. Mechanized transport should be pretty solid (except during a blizzard) ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7496 "2022-09-04T23:57:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > This isn’t just a war of attrition. it’s a study of logistics. I’d say - its a study of general competency - or lack of thereof … the russians don’t know anything … no tactics, no strategy, no logistics, generations of soldiers educated to NOT think, just do what you are told … etc… It’s like the syrean army is fighting against Ukr. (from a “smartness” POV) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7497 "2022-09-05T00:12:12Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > But I’m starting to think they are just terrible liars. In Russia, ground strikes missile! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7498 "2022-09-05T00:38:06Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > But I’m starting to think they are just terrible liars. I think it’s deeper than that. I think that after close to a century of party propaganda, not challenged by anyone, Russian government doesn’t have any sense of truth as a value. They just say what fits their current narrative. “We have always been at war with Eastasia.” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7499 "2022-09-05T01:38:30Z")
Wagner Group Telegram channel dismisses the Enerhodar amphibious assault claims, while admitting crossings of the Dnieper River/Kakhovka Reservoir by Ukrainian “sabotage groups” do occur: > [@](#): > > As for the Kakhovka reservoir: there was no [Ukrainian] landing near Energodar. Neither by sea nor by air. Although this is already understood by many. But in defence of our side’s version of the enemy’s activity at the Kakhovka reservoir and a wide part of the mouth of the Dnieper River, I can say that there really is uncontrolled movement by water from one side to the other. This is done by both hucksters who transport people back and forth from one controlled territory to another, and smugglers. But there have also been cases of Ukrainian sabotage groups penetrating to the side controlled by us, the forcing [of the river] usually takes place at night to an unequipped shore using an IR lantern by the receiving side. > **[GREY ZONE "Wagner Group" channel recaps Ukrainian assault, dismisses...](https://wartranslated.com/grey-zone-wagner-group-channel-recaps-ukrainian-assault-dismisses-amphibious-landing-claims/)** > > The Wagner Group channel GREY ZONE, who have recently been quite frank in their assessment of the current situation in the Kherson area, published on 4 September a post describing the current situation on the frontline. They accuse Russian artillery... ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7500 "2022-09-05T13:47:32Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I think it’s deeper than that. I think that after close to a century of party propaganda, not challenged by anyone, Russian government doesn’t have any sense of truth as a value. They just say what fits their current narrative. This factor is generally underappreciated in the west. Having lived for generations under governments that relied so heavily on propaganda, the Russian people are deeply cynical about any information presented by their government. It’s little wonder Russian forces are suffering morale problems. It’s hard to stay committed to fighting a foe when even your officers doubt the sincerity or legitimacy of your cause. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7501 "2022-09-05T13:50:48Z")
The news sounds encouraging. It’s going to be a long bloody battle. The Russians artillery and missiles are always a threat. HIMARS are blowing up some of those supplies. Cite [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 4 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-4) > [@](#): > > **The Ukrainian counteroffensive is making verifiable progress in the south and the east. Ukrainian forces are advancing along several axes in western Kherson Oblast and have secured territory across the Siverskyi Donets River in Donetsk Oblast.** The pace of the counteroffensive will likely change dramatically from day to day as Ukrainian forces work to starve the Russians of necessary supplies, disrupt their command and control, and weaken their morale even as counteroffensive ground assaults continue. The Russians will occasionally counterattack and regain some lost ground and will of course conduct likely fierce artillery and air attacks against liberated settlements and advancing Ukrainian troops. Ukrainian forces have made substantial enough progress to begin evoking more realistic commentary from the Russian milbloggers, who had been hewing very closely to the Kremlin’s optimistic rhetoric until today ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7502 "2022-09-05T14:30:12Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > They just say what fits their current narrative. I’d say we have seen examples of this in the U.S. recently. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7503 "2022-09-05T15:56:29Z")
👏 A positive step. 🇺🇦 > **[Ukraine offensive prompts Kherson occupiers to ‘pause’ poll on joining Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/05/kherson-separatists-pause-poll-on-joining-russia-due-to-ukraines-counteroffensive)** > > Russian state news agency says referendum plans on hold as Ukrainian attacks on key bridge over Dnieper River put pressure on troops ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7504 "2022-09-05T16:22:03Z")
Yup, need those troops to ensure the vote is conducted in the way that Russia and Putin are used to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=371) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=373)