# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 376
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7565 "2022-09-08T03:33:42Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > This winter. Lack of energy for human comfort and health. I live in Texas, so I understand that can happen without the Russians pulling stupid stunts on the other side of the globe. Heck, it can happen in summer here. I’m not _that_ impressed by their hardship, but I do sympathize. Neither of our houses are being shelled or targeted by missiles, so in comparison it’s a manageable threat. > [@Kedikat](#): > > Post war situations and agreements may increase military spending. Military tensions. Sanctions may continue or even grow. Negative feedback all over. > > A lot of big changes are happening fast. Major negative fallout can happen. Worse in Europe. But it will be everywhere. Yep, and the only blame to be laid is on Putin. Frankly, at the current time I personally benefit from US weapons being proved effective and Russian weapons being proved less so. I’m not super happy about the circumstances that led to that situation, but here we are. Putin is the best salesman for western weapons that god ever wrought. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7566 "2022-09-08T04:00:09Z")
ISW reports significant advances. I’ve read other sources that claim these towns have key crossroads. Controlling them will cut off Russian supplies. > **[Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-7)** > > Ukrainian forces in southeastern Kharkiv Oblast are likely exploiting Russian force reallocation to the Southern Axis to conduct an opportunistic yet highly effective counteroffensive northwest of Izyum. Ukrainian forces likely used tactical surprise... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7567 "2022-09-08T04:06:25Z")
What are “milbloggers” please? I see this term being used a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7568 "2022-09-08T04:07:44Z")
Military service member who blogs. About military things I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7569 "2022-09-08T07:56:13Z")
So, a bit off topic: I’m making some customized tee shirts to send to Ukrainian troops (there is a guy who handles such donations.) Would it be bad taste to have a photo of the Kremlin with “Capture the Kremlin” in Ukrainian? Or some Putin Nazi memes? Any other ideas? “Avenge Bucha,” etc.? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7570 "2022-09-08T09:21:59Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > The economic reverberations of this war and sanctions are destabilizing a lot of things, small and very large. So is climate change, perhaps even more so. > [@Kedikat](#): > > China can now add more cheap Russian energy to its cheap labor and increase its export edge. Not if they keep locking down entire cities of millions of people for one or two covid cases in a vain quest for “zero-covid”. Not if their house-of-cards real estate industry collapses, which it is showing signs of doing. Not to mention all disruptions to their agriculture from climate change and the odd earthquake. OK, they’ll have cheap energy - that’s not the only thing a nation needs. > [@Kedikat](#): > > Post war situations and agreements may increase military spending. Arguably, Europe should have been spending more on the military rather than depending quite so heavily on the US’s umbrella of influence. In the long run that might be a good thing for Europe. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7571 "2022-09-08T10:02:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > What are “milbloggers” please? I see this term being used a lot. There used to be indexs at Milblogging .com but it shut down almost 7 years ago. It seems to have shifted to Telegram. I’ve never had an account tbere. It’s mainly service members blogs. It may also include military retirees or defense dept insiders? Reddit has a few war groups. [https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milblogger](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milblogger) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7572 "2022-09-08T11:41:35Z")
I’m curious how Russia will react? Pull troops from the South for a counter offensive to regain their lost territory? That weakens Kherson. It makes sense Ukrainian forces will be watching for more opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7573 "2022-09-08T11:55:15Z")
I can totally see Putin shuffling troops (than might only exist on paper) around like the '44 and '45 Adolf STEINER!!! Wo ist Steiner mit seinen Panzern??? ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7574 "2022-09-08T11:58:07Z")
I know its “anecdotical”, but I see a lot of those combat/lost-and-found videos with abandoned russian armoured equipment … indicative of a.) russians abandoning ship … or b.) running out of fuel/ammo? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7575 "2022-09-08T12:38:37Z")
Now Belarus wants to stir the pot. Threatening Poland is certainly not a safe step in that area. > **[Belarus starts military exercises near border regions -defmin](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belarus-starts-military-exercises-near-border-regions-defmin-2022-09-08/)** > > Belarus has started military exercises by the city of Brest near the Polish border, its capital Minsk and the northeast region of Vitebsk, the defence ministry said on Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7576 "2022-09-08T13:41:52Z")
I wonder if sometimes Belarus is prodded to make headlines as a way to shift attention from Russian failures. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7577 "2022-09-08T13:43:04Z")
> **[‘We have already lost’: far-right Russian bloggers slam military failures](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/08/we-have-already-lost-far-right-russian-bloggers-slam-kremlin-over-army-response)** > > Military pro-war bloggers with frontline contacts offer rare insight into Russia’s performance on ground The remarkable thing about this is that the critical voices are being tolerated by Russian authorities. This could be either encouraging or alarming. Optimistic interpretation: The Kremlin is afraid of the Russian far right, and can’t crack down without risking an acceleration in instability. Putin’s authority is being undermined. If he’s replaced, it will almost certainly be by someone worse, but at least he’ll be out and there will be a breathing space in the transition. But after that, all bets are off. Pessimistic interpretation: Putin needs these voices to be raised in order to justify a major escalation in troop mobilization and an unrestrained effort to simply annihilate Ukraine from border to border. I am a pessimist. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7578 "2022-09-08T15:00:10Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Military service member who blogs. About military things I suppose. > [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s mainly service members blogs. It may also include military retirees or defense dept insiders? Thank you both. I was thinking it was a comment on size or something, like the SI prefixes milli- and micro-. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7579 "2022-09-08T15:05:42Z")
There’s an [interesting article on Ukrinform](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3566404-prospects-for-running-a-military-campaign-in-2023-ukraines-perspective.html) by General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi (Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) and Lieutenant General Mykhailo Zabrodskyi (First Deputy Chairman of the National Security, Defense, and Intelligence Committee of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine). Covers a wide range of topics but highlights the importance of western military support, likely Russian goals, and that the war will continue into the near future at least. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7580 "2022-09-08T15:24:32Z")
> [@whitetho](#): > > Tucker Carlson as of this Monday: > > [Tucker Carlson insists Putin is winning the war in Ukraine and blames Biden for not ending it | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-ukraine-war-putin-biden-b2155498.html) > **[Putin: Russia Has Not Lost Anything Over Actions in Ukraine](https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-09-07/putin-says-russia-has-not-lost-anything-over-actions-in-ukraine)** > > US News is a recognized leader in college, grad school, hospital, mutual fund, and car rankings. Track elected officials, research health conditions, and find news you can use in politics, business, health, and education. Nice to sync up your messaging. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7581 "2022-09-08T16:26:25Z")
How does that work for the people in the villages? Would much change in day to day life? Get up, make breakfast, go to work? The soldiers on the streets are different. It would take time to switch the city officials. Fire chief, Police chief are specialists. Guardian > [@](#): > > ## Ukraine has recaptured more than 700 sq km, says general > > Ukraine has now recaptured more than 700 sq km (270 sq miles) of territory in Kharkiv and in the south, according to a Ukrainian general. > > Speaking at a public briefing, Brig Gen Oleksiy Gromov said Ukrainian forces had advanced as far as 50km (31 miles) into Russian lines and retaken more than 20 villages. > > The comments are the most detailed public assessment so far of Ukraine’s counter-offensive. > > “The total amount of territory returned to Ukrainian control in the Kharkiv and Pivdennyi Buh directions stands at over 700 sq km,” Gromov said. > > Pivdennyi Buh is a river that runs through the southern frontline city of Mykolaiv before discharging into the Black Sea ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7582 "2022-09-08T17:15:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How does that work for the people in the villages? Would much change in day to day life? For starters, the people in the villages worry a whole lot less about the soldier-on-civilian violence and harassment that the Russian soldiers have become notorious for. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7583 "2022-09-08T17:18:03Z")
As an ignorant American I needed to convert 700 square kilometers to get a feel for it. A circle with a little over 9 mile radius. (9.2 something I think. 270 square miles.) EDIT: Or a square, 16.4 miles per side. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/7584 "2022-09-08T17:32:43Z")
Is there anything particularly noteworthy in that area? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=375) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=377)