# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8065 "2022-09-15T13:40:14Z")
Unless of course winding up Russia - and potentially getting them to commit resources to hold Georgia that they could have sent to Ukraine - is the point. And if Russia _don’t_ bite at the bait, well…that might suggest Georgia should consider it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8066 "2022-09-15T14:47:08Z")
> [@Chelonaut](#): > > There are reports they are leaving Melitopol, not Mariopol. Melitopol is between Kherson and Mariupol, right in the middle of the blue blob of “reported Ukrainian Partisan Warfare”. Thank you for the correction. The words look similar with a quick glance. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8067 "2022-09-15T15:25:39Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The car crash that Zelensky was involved in was mentioned in the previous post, but in the form of a video report that “is not available in your country”. The video for the interview should be after that one on the crash. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8068 "2022-09-15T15:32:12Z")
This is what is happening at our house. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcZkFJgXoAMp5Oq?format=jpg&name=900x900) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcZkFJgXoAMp5Oq?format=jpg&name=900x900) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8069 "2022-09-15T15:48:46Z")
Russia just announced that America providing ATACMS missiles to Ukraine would be crossing a “red line.” I want America to charge across that red line like Usain Bolt breaking the finish tape in a 100-meter Olympic sprint. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8070 "2022-09-15T16:48:28Z")
We don’t have to provide them – they might just have accidentally fallen off a truck that happened to be in western Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8071 "2022-09-15T16:52:09Z")
And then be lax about retrieving them. Call it the ATACMS desert. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8072 "2022-09-15T17:22:23Z")
“We don’t want Ukrainian to have systems to protect civilian buildings and infrastructure. Because we want to destroy their cities as punishment for wrecking our invasion plans” Tough Shit Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8073 "2022-09-15T17:23:41Z")
This is the first sign that China might not be totally comfortable with what is happening in Ukraine. In diplomatic speak “questions and concerns” is quite dramatic language. > **[Putin says Xi has questions and concerns over Ukraine](https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-xi-set-meet-thursday-samarkand-2022-09-15/)** > > Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said he understood that Xi Jinping had questions and concerns about the situation in Ukraine but praised China's leader for what he said was a "balanced" position on the conflict. What Xi tells Putin might have a considerable influence on what Russia does next. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8074 "2022-09-15T17:29:36Z")
Russia reportedly recruiting mercenaries from prison with promises of full pardons after 6 months. However, “Those who arrive [at the front line] and say on Day 1 it’s not for them get shot.” Yes, that was actually part of the pitch. Shockingly, so far very few takers. > **[Short of soldiers to send to war, Russia’s mercenaries recruit in prisons](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/15/russia-war-mercenearies-prisons-recruit/)** > > Russia is struggling to find reinforcements to send to the war in Ukraine; the Wagner mercenary group is now hoping to recruit thousands by offering a literal get-out-of-jail-free card to convicted criminals serving prison terms. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8075 "2022-09-15T17:30:02Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > What Xi tells Putin might have a considerable influence on what Russia does next. I doubt that Xi really cares too much, but he’s probably happy to use any particular leverage that he can to try and extort Russia of anything they have to offer. Putin’s primary agenda, there, is to use the alternative Indian market as leverage to get Xi to bargain with some amount of fairness. I expect Xi to offer to pay a higher price, on condition of being able to start moving Chinese developers into Eastern Russia, building their own infrastructure to extract resources. Putin will need to go with India - but he won’t get much of a bailout from it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8076 "2022-09-15T17:31:11Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Russia just announced that America providing ATACMS missiles to Ukraine would be crossing a “red line.” Well, to be fair, that acronym _does_ kind of sound like “Attack-'Ems”. Perhaps we should re-brand them DFNDMS? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8077 "2022-09-15T17:46:37Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I doubt that Xi really cares too much He might care whether his supposed powerful ally is actually powerful. Finding out that they’re not might reduce what they’re worth to him. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I expect Xi to offer to pay a higher price, on condition of being able to start moving Chinese developers into Eastern Russia, building their own infrastructure to extract resources. China likes to expand their borders, too. That might well not be a great deal for Russia – especially for a Russia that’s been proven weak. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8078 "2022-09-15T17:52:56Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > He might care whether his supposed powerful ally is actually powerful. Finding out that they’re not might reduce what they’re worth to him. I doubt that Xi was ever expecting Russia to come join with its army to work alongside China in the capture Taiwan. The power of Russia is physical land mass and all the resources underneath it. While it’s possible that Russian geology has been stripped clean, I don’t think that’s the case and it’s possible that China has used various means of survey to figure out what all’s in there. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8079 "2022-09-15T17:55:29Z")
Temptations shift with circumstances… [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcUivktWAAAC5-R.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcUivktWAAAC5-R.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8080 "2022-09-15T18:32:14Z")
Thanks, figured it must be something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8081 "2022-09-15T19:29:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I doubt that Xi was ever expecting Russia to come join with its army to work alongside China in the capture Taiwan. The power of Russia is physical land mass and all the resources underneath it. Plus, having Russia tie up a lot of US resources that the US thought it needed in case Russia invaded Europe. Now that we know for a fact Russia isn’t as dangerous as we’d assumed, that can free up at least some resources for other areas of the world… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8082 "2022-09-15T21:43:32Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Russia just announced that America providing ATACMS missiles to Ukraine would be crossing a “red line." Or what? You’re going to launch another hypersonic missile at your own city? ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8083 "2022-09-15T23:45:11Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > The Center for Defense Strategies said **one single Russian unit that was around Izium left behind 39 T-80 tanks and 35 infantry fighting vehicles**. > > Another unit left behind **47 tanks and 27 armoured vehicles**. I (mostly-jokingly) wonder if Putin will try to take the replacement cost out of their pay. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8084 "2022-09-16T00:27:04Z")
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