# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 402
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8085 "2022-09-16T00:28:39Z")
A hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8086 "2022-09-16T00:29:28Z")
They could’ve left in a huff. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8087 "2022-09-16T00:39:14Z")
Stolen bicycles, stolen cars, and on foot, according to various articles. Sometimes after stealing civilian clothes so they could ditch their uniforms. > [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > So what did they leave town in? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8088 "2022-09-16T00:40:30Z")
Russian equipment, so more like a minute and a huff. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8089 "2022-09-16T01:57:46Z")
> **[‘They ran away’: Ukrainians recount hasty Russian withdrawal](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/9/15/they-ran-away-ukrainians-recount-hasty-russian-withdrawal)** > > Residents of villages retaken by Ukrainian army describe the retreat of Russian forces in Ukraine’ counteroffensive. > [@](#): > > **Balakliya, Ukraine –** After months of living in fear, Olga Ivanova says she was shocked to see how hastily the Russian forces who occupied her village had withdrawn. > > “We found 16 of them hiding in a cellar; they had nowhere to go,” said the elderly resident of Verbivka, in northeastern Ukraine. “The others stole cars to leave, they also took bicycles. That’s how the Russian retreat was.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8090 "2022-09-16T05:42:40Z")
When danger reared its ugly head He bravely turned his tail and fled Brave, brave sir Russian ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8091 "2022-09-16T11:11:26Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Or what? You’re going to launch another hypersonic missile at your own city? “If there’s no city, there’s nothing to defend. How many cities do you want to lose?” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8092 "2022-09-16T13:35:03Z")
Two dead collaborators. Boo-hoo. They’re finding hundreds of tortured bodies in Izium. How many murders were Oleg Boyko and wife responsible for? The Guardian > [@](#): > > ## Deputy head of Russian-installed authority in Berdiansk killed along with his wife > > The Russian-backed separatist authority in **Berdiansk** has on Friday accused Kyiv of killing the deputy head of military civil administration, and his wife, who headed the city’s territorial election commission for the referendum to join [Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia), the city administration said on Telegram. > > The city administration did not provide details for how **Oleg Boyko** and his wife, **Lyudmila Boyko** , were killed in their garage in Berdiansk, which is located in the **Zaporizhzhia oblast** in the south of [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine). But the city administration described the killings as a “double murder”. > > “This terrible crime will not go unpunished and unanswered,” the post reads. > [@](#): > > ## Bodies found in Izium mass grave site had ropes around necks and hands ties > > Reuters reporters saw multiple bodies at the mass grave site in Izium with rope round their necks and their hands tied – indicators that they may have not have just been killed in shelling and airstrikes. > > Ukrainian police and forensic experts were helping to exhume the bodies at the site marked by wooden crosses where authorities said they had found a **mass grave containing more than 440 bodies.** While authorities said some had been killed by shelling and airstrikes, investigators have prepared themselves for the worst, after the discoveries of slain civilians bearing signs of torture in Bucha and other previously occupied territories. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8093 "2022-09-16T13:40:00Z")
I guess the area is still under Russian control? In which case cynical me assumes that the Russians killed them for reasons unknown, and are blaming Ukraine. The reason could have been to blame Ukraine, but there was probably something else (if the Russians did the deed). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8094 "2022-09-16T14:20:05Z")
I will say that I hope it was quick. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8095 "2022-09-16T14:25:53Z")
The fact they left out the details makes me think that it was not. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8096 "2022-09-16T14:29:13Z")
To be clear, they’re now finding (more) evidence of Russians torturing Ukrainians. [Bodies found near recaptured Ukraine region show signs of torture, official says | PBS NewsHour](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/bodies-found-near-recaptured-ukraine-region-show-signs-of-torture-official-says) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8097 "2022-09-16T14:40:29Z")
I think Ukraine is responding to the missle attacks against Kharkiv power grid and the dam that resulted in flooding in Kryviy Rih. The Guardian > [@](#): > > **There were reports Friday of a “powerful explosion” in the Russian-occupied Melitopol** , a city in the southern Zaporizhzhia oblast, said Ivan Fedorov, mayor of Melitopol. > > This comes on the heels of attacks in **Kherson** and **Luhansk** that killed at least three individuals who were working for the Russian-backed separatist authorities > [@](#): > > Russia has accused [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) of carrying out targeted strikes in the cities of Kherson and Luhansk against local officials who have been collaborating with Moscow. > > At least five Himars missiles crashed into the central administration building in Kherson, which Russian troops have occupied since March after arriving from Crimea. Video from the scene showed smoke pouring out of the complex and debris. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8098 "2022-09-16T17:16:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Two dead collaborators. Boo-hoo. > They’re finding hundreds of tortured bodies in Izium. How many murders were Oleg Boyko and wife responsible for? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Extrajudicial killing\* is always wrong, even if the person in question is a murdering quisling\*\*. Don’t protest war crimes if you’re going to commit war crimes. These things do happen, because war sucks. But I don’t give anyone a pass because someone else is worse. \*We don’t actually know for sure at this time that he was murdered by Ukrainians. \*\*We don’t actually know for sure if he (or his wife) caused anyone to be murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8099 "2022-09-16T17:21:25Z")
I don’t know that it’s that clear-cut. If they were actively collaborating with the military occupation, trying to establish the occupying military force as the government, doesn’t that make them fair military targets? ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8100 "2022-09-16T17:38:42Z")
excellent reading!!! - addressing probably a very relevant problem in russia’s culture… > **[Thread by @ChrisO\_wiki on Thread Reader App](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1570169288849326082.html)** > > @ChrisO\_wiki: 1/ Did a culture of institutionalised lying contribute to Russia's recent disaster east of Kharkiv, by giving its senior commanders a distorted and false picture of the true situation on the ground? A ...… . … and it is also probably easier to understand how russian DOD reports stuff like “_The Moscva made it into port under its own power_” - when everybody can see the Moscva’s debris floating as a patch the size of Rhode Island. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8101 "2022-09-16T17:39:33Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Extrajudicial killing\* is always wrong Isn’t all war extrajudicial killing? Or is it OK if you don’t know their names? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8102 "2022-09-16T17:40:52Z")
Assassinating collaborators is not remotely wrong, I hope they do more and more of it, keeping their own safety in mind. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8103 "2022-09-16T17:47:08Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I don’t know that it’s that clear-cut. If they were actively collaborating with the military occupation, trying to establish the occupying military force as the government, doesn’t that make them fair military targets? His job title was deputy head of military civil administration. I think he would be involved in finding and arresting anyone opposing the Russian occupation. Imho They were military targets. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8104 "2022-09-16T17:48:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I don’t know that it’s that clear-cut. If they were actively collaborating with the military occupation, trying to establish the occupying military force as the government, doesn’t that make them fair military targets? I also have my doubts: the “civil guy” trying to recruit those inmates on y’days videos … should he be fair game? … or does the fact that he wears office-shoes and not combat boots guarantee his life? … fairly blury line … and it gets blurier: > > (may be dificult to find motivated staff in the new future) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=401) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=403)