# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 407
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8185 "2022-09-19T02:14:41Z")
Well-spotted. Zagreb ebnen zloty dien. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8186 "2022-09-19T02:17:07Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > Zagreb ebnen zloty dien. Translation please. This is what google translate thinks: Zagreb pave zloty dien ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8187 "2022-09-19T02:28:43Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Translation please. Here’s more in-depth analysis about a 22-second clip from a 30-year-old cartoon episode than you ever thought possible; > **[Let's Really Figure Out What That 'Put It In H' Car From The Simpsons Could Be](https://jalopnik.com/lets-really-figure-out-what-that-put-it-in-h-car-from-1825057867)** > > The Simpsons has given us a surprising amount of automotive-related cultural icons, including the Powell Motors Homer, the Canyonero, and even Homer’s own Plymouth Junkerolla. My favorite Simpsons car, though, may be the most mysterious: the strange,... > [@](#): > > **The weird little car Homer tries from Crazy Vaclav’s car lot in the _Mr.Plow_ episode is most likely called a Mukha, and is a Bulgarian copy of a British invalid car, the AC Petite.** > > **The Mukha has some styling differences from the original Petite (tailfins, for example) and uses a two-stroke diesel engine capable of burning kerosene. The car is capable of an impressive 132 MPG, and if you drive one, I think you’ll agree…_“Girls from Zagreb will think you’re a goldsmith.”_** ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8188 "2022-09-19T02:34:06Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Translation please. Sorry I realized after I posted that it wouldn’t be obvious what it meant. It is a line of text in a fake language from The Simpsons. @Smapti’s link gives more info. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8189 "2022-09-19T03:30:12Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I will wait for triple confirmation to be sure as of now I am sceptical still. > > [https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1571633553397678081?cxt=HHwWgoDUtfqYyM8rAAAA](https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1571633553397678081?cxt=HHwWgoDUtfqYyM8rAAAA) don’t count your ammo dumps until they’re snatched. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8190 "2022-09-19T05:16:21Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Armenia is disatisfied with the lack of assistance in its Azerbaijan conflict from its CSTO (“Russia’s NATO”) ally, Russia. I find myself pondering the fallout if the US offered to help Armenia. On the other hand, it could make things a little TOO interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8191 "2022-09-19T09:39:35Z")
Pelosi led a congressional delegation to Armenia this weekend, so the US is at least providing moral support. > [@](#): > > The trip was intended to highlight the United States’ “firm commitment to a peaceful, prosperous and democratic Armenia, and a stable and secure Caucasus region,” the California Democrat said in a statement Saturday. > > … > > Pelosi said Congress would “soon” take up a resolution that would condemn “Azerbaijan’s unprovoked military attack on Armenia.” The resolution was introduced in Congress this past week and referred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee. [https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-armenia-delegation-visit/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-armenia-delegation-visit/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8192 "2022-09-19T10:01:49Z")
Interesting situation in Kherson. I believe it’s in Ukraine’s benefit to keep the Russian troops contained in Kherson for awhile. They’re cut off from supplies and their strength is slowly degrading. There’s no need for Ukraine to push too fast. Ukraine can continue preparing to retake Luhansk Oblast. ISW says the capture of Lyman is a key first step. This is optimistic news for Ukraine’s counter offensive. ISW [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 18 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-18) > [@](#): > > **Russian forces are likely attempting to conduct a more deliberate and controlled withdrawal in western Kherson Oblast to avoid the chaotic flight that characterized the collapse of Russian defensive positions in Kharkiv Oblast earlier this month.** The Russians have heavily reinforced western Kherson Oblast over the past several months including with airborne units and at least some elements of the 1st Guards Tank Army.[11] These ostensibly more professional and well-trained and equipped units are concentrated in a small area in Kherson Oblast and were prepared for the expected counteroffensive. They appear to be performing significantly better than Russian forces in Kharkiv Oblast. The Ukrainians destroyed a number of units of the 1st Guards Tank Army in Kharkiv Oblast, putting them to flight and capturing large amounts of high-quality equipment. The worse performance of professional Russian soldiers in Kharkiv Oblast compared with those in Kherson Oblast may be due to the thinner concentration of Russian forces in Kharkiv Oblast as well as the fact that the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast appeared to surprise the Russian defenders. > > The Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson Oblast is nevertheless making progress, and Russian forces appear to be attempting to slow it and fall back to more defensible positions rather than stop it cold or reverse it. Continuous Ukrainian attacks on Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) across the Dnipro River to western Kherson Oblast appear to be having increasing effects on Russian supplies on the right bank—recent reports indicate shortages of food and water in Russian-occupied Kherson City and at least a temporary slackening of Russian artillery fire. Poor-quality proxy units have collapsed in some sectors of the Russian front lines, moreover, allowing Ukrainian advances. Ukrainian forces remain likely to regain much if not all of western Kherson Oblast in the coming weeks if they continue to interdict Russian GLOCs and press their advance. Ukrainian gains may continue to be slow if the Russian troops can retain their coherence but could also accelerate significantly if Russian forces begin to break. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8193 "2022-09-19T11:29:51Z")
If Russia abandons Armenia, won’t Turkey help Azarbijan just steamroll the place? Never mind, I’ll start it somewhere else. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8194 "2022-09-19T12:59:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This is optimistic news for Ukraine’s counter offensive. > ISW [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 18 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-18) when reading my daily dose of ISW, I always wonder if that is Russian Army’s overall best source of “how are we doing in the war” ??? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8195 "2022-09-19T13:21:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I believe it’s in Ukraine’s benefit to keep the Russian troops contained in Kherson for awhile. They’re cut off from supplies and their strength is slowly degrading. There’s no need for Ukraine to push too fast. Oh, absolutely. They should continue to force Russians to fight while poorly supplied and without all the combat support they’d otherwise be getting if they weren’t having to rely on supply via a makeshift ferry system. The Russian troops fighting in Kherson are the best they have remaining. Having these troops fighting a losing battle over several weeks will do much to further degrade morale. Ukraine wants Russian survivors to be evacuated to the opposite side of the Dnieper with the general impression of _“holy crap we made it out of there alive”_. If that’s the prevailing mindset of the lion’s share of their **core forces** , the outcome of this conflict for the Russians is truly doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8196 "2022-09-19T17:01:07Z")
[Emphasis original] > **[Russian units west of Dnipro River trapped, Ukraine says](https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-units-west-dnipro-river-161500794.html)** > > Russian forces in Kherson Oblast are boxed in between advancing Ukrainian troops and the Dnipro River, Ukrainian Operational Command South spokesperson Natalya Humeniuk told Ukrainian TV broadcasters on Sept. 19. > “As we’ve established [fire control over river crossings and logistical routes in the region](https://english.nv.ua/nation/russian-invaders-supply-routes-to-kherson-under-full-ukrainian-fire-control-says-operational-comma-50265095.html), these (enemy) units have to realize they are stuck between our forces and the (Dnipro) river bank,” said Humeniuk. > > “They’ve been offered to **surrender under the auspices of international humanitarian law or to return home** – although it’s unclear how that would manage that.” > > According to Humeniuk, intelligence reports suggest enemy troops in the region are demoralized and don’t see any point in their continued deployment to the area. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8197 "2022-09-19T17:40:16Z")
Side note: I’ve seen references to troops on the right side of the Dnipro and the left side. Is that determined by the direction of the current flow? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8198 "2022-09-19T17:54:53Z")
Your link is from Yahoo, quoting a Ukrainian source. I still use an old email account at Yahoo, so I check the site every day, and it always feeds me several links from Ukrainian news sources. Sources which are , of course, biased. The headlines are always upbeat and encouraging. Even when Mauripol was being destroyed, the headlines Yahoo displayed said things like “heroic fighting in Maruipol is slowing the Russians down.” So I hope your link is true…but let’s see if some other international sources report the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8199 "2022-09-19T17:59:57Z")
Yes, it’s left/right from the perspective of an observer looking downstream. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8200 "2022-09-19T18:17:51Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > So I hope your link is true…but let’s see if some other international sources report the same thing. ISW uses more moderate language in describing what’s been going in Kherson. Rather than ‘trapped’ they use phrases like “Russian forces are conceding and losing tactically significant positions in unspecified areas in Kherson Oblast.” or “Russians conducting a controlled withdrawal.” What is clear in most reporting is that Russians are: a) retreating, b) sustaining losses, and c) appear to be making preparations for future defenses on the _opposite_ bank of the Dniepro River. Meaning Russian command already can see which way the wind is blowing in Kherson. If I was in charge of Russian forces I would cede Kherson, get as many soldiers out as possible and redeploy those ~20k troops to Zaporizhia to blunt the next Ukrainian counter-offensive, but I bet Putin will prevent that from happening here with his micromanaging/meddling as Kherson is such a political prize. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8201 "2022-09-19T20:41:10Z")
Kherson isn’t a political prize. The Dnipro river is almost certainly a major economic conduit for the country, running right down the middle of the country and - I assume - transporting a lot of supplies to the ocean. Controlling the outlet would severely hamper the country’s ability to trade through the Mediterranean. It’s similar to Britian’s logic in taking Hong Kong. They controlled the outlet of the Pearl River, which was one of China’s largest trade systems. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8202 "2022-09-19T20:55:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Kherson isn’t a political prize It’s the largest city that Russia managed to capture intact the entire war (they more or less completely destroyed Mariupol). It’s economically important for the reasons you named, but losing Kherson now would absolutely be an enormous political loss for Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8203 "2022-09-19T20:58:41Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > I bet Putin will prevent that from happening here with his micromanaging/meddling as Kherson is such a political prize. (with apologies to Baghdad Bob) " They’re not even [within] 100 miles [of Kherson]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Ukraine. This is an illusion … they are trying to sell to the others an illusion." ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8204 "2022-09-19T21:15:32Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > Yes, it’s left/right from the perspective of an observer looking downstream. Thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=406) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=408)