# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/821 "2022-03-02T06:10:29Z")
The Ukrainian tax agency has announced that captured Russian tanks, vehicles, and other materiel do not need to be declared as income. > **[No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as...](https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/804441.html)** > > Ukraine's National Agency for the Protection against Corruption (NAPC) has declared that captured Russian tanks and other equipment are not subject to declaration. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/822 "2022-03-02T06:16:54Z")
That almost reads like an Onion article, but at this point I’m ready to believe just about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/823 "2022-03-02T06:24:41Z")
Here’s the official announcement on the Ukraine government website; [https://nazk.gov.ua/uk/documents/roz-yasnennya-vid-28-02-2022-2-shhodo-zastosuvannya-okremyh-polozhen-zakonu-ukrayiny-pro-zapobigannya-koruptsiyi-stosovno-zahodiv-finansovogo-kontrolyu-v-umovah-voyennogo-stanu/?hilite=&fbclid=IwAR2NB3\_XEppdlniw6zwPbcJqC1fwuDJrawbiVe0XX54cZBwN\_IdtZY61aQc](https://nazk.gov.ua/uk/documents/roz-yasnennya-vid-28-02-2022-2-shhodo-zastosuvannya-okremyh-polozhen-zakonu-ukrayiny-pro-zapobigannya-koruptsiyi-stosovno-zahodiv-finansovogo-kontrolyu-v-umovah-voyennogo-stanu/?hilite=&fbclid=IwAR2NB3_XEppdlniw6zwPbcJqC1fwuDJrawbiVe0XX54cZBwN_IdtZY61aQc) Which, per Google translate, says in part; > [@](#): > > At the same time, taking into account the Decree of the President of Ukraine of 24.02.2022 № 64/2022 “On martial law in Ukraine”, approved by the Law of Ukraine of 24.02.2022 № 2102-IX “On approval of the Decree of the President of Ukraine” On martial law in Ukraine " , The National Agency notes that until the victory over the racist invaders and the cessation of martial law, the declarants should not waste time filling out and submitting declarations and (or) notifications of significant changes in property status, but should make every effort to protect own freedom, peace in Europe and the world, defense of the Ukrainian state… > > We explain that during the Ukrainian Liberation War hostile property acquired in battle by the subject of the declaration / a member of his family is not subject to reflection in the declaration, as acquired not as a result of a transaction, but in connection with full-scale aggression from 24.02. 2022 of the Russian Federation regarding the independent and sovereign Ukrainian state as a continuation of the insidious attack of the Russian Federation on Ukraine launched in 2014. > > Thanks to the courage and victory of the defenders of the Ukrainian state, hostile military equipment, weapons and other armor - scrap. It is impossible to assess such objects in accordance with the Law of Ukraine “On Valuation of Property, Property Rights and Professional Valuation Activity in Ukraine” in order to determine whether their value exceeds the declaration threshold (100 PM). > > At the same time, the National Agency for the Prevention of Corruption continues to provide the technical capacity to report significant changes in property status regarding the acquisition of objects seized from the racist army, if the declarant subjects wish to do so. > > Glory to Ukraine! ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/824 "2022-03-02T06:43:50Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > That almost reads like an Onion article, but at this point I’m ready to believe just about anything. After 2020, I’m used to real news reading like it came from the Onion or the Babylon Bee. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/825 "2022-03-02T07:02:09Z")
How do you assign a fair value to a captured tank, anyway? Is there a depreciation schedule? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/826 "2022-03-02T07:28:50Z")
General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces: > As of 6:00 a.m. on March 2, the 7th day of Russia’s war in Ukraine, Russian forces are trying to advance in all directions, but are resisted by Ukraine’s military everywhere and are suffering losses. > > Unsuccessful in advancing its forces, Russian forces continue to launch missile and bomb strikes in order to intimidate the civilian population, which is fighting courageously side by side with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/827 "2022-03-02T07:31:34Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > How do you assign a fair value to a captured tank, anyway? Is there a depreciation schedule? The value of scrap metal in Ukraine has tanked . ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/828 "2022-03-02T08:09:11Z")
Was watching a [Ukranian propaganda video](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2ygnr/ukrainian_militarys_message_to_russian_troops/) aimed at enemy troops, and I thought, the basic messages never change, do they? I expect if you could compare this to propaganda made in any war in modern history (maybe even before), you’d be able to see similar notes being hit, similar basic themes. I guess it speaks to how unchanging human nature and instinct are, or of how everyone has the same basic needs and wants, despite differences in nationality, race, etc. Or maybe it’s just a tragic reminder that humanity has been at war its entire existence, and yet we still refuse to learn from it… ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/829 "2022-03-02T09:20:45Z")
The Russians are now 160 miles from their start point inside Crimea. The encirclement in the South is complete and Odessa is Ukraines only link to the sea. > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/830 "2022-03-02T10:46:38Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > A question: I’ve seen “organic” used specifically in reference to radar and defense systems three times in the last few days now. From the article: > > > A properly integrated air defense network shouldn’t rely solely on the **organic** radars of its missile units. > > It seems to mean something like “built-in” or perhaps “moving as part of the same battle group”, but I can’t tell for sure. Anyone know? I read it the same way you did: organic as synonym for “their very own”, or “included”… ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/831 "2022-03-02T11:34:33Z")
Things you eventually realise… about that video of the woman telling the soldier to put sunflower seeds in his pockets. The sunflower is the national flower of Ukraine. 🌻 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/832 "2022-03-02T12:19:43Z")
From Wikipedia’s article on the [Russo-Japanese War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War): “The loss of life without victory and the humiliating defeat for the Russian Empire contributed to growing domestic unrest which culminated in the 1905 Russian Revolution and accelerated the disintegration of the Russian autocracy.” Could history repeat itself? (Or at least rhyme?) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/833 "2022-03-02T12:29:48Z")
[https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1498637938103566337](https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1498637938103566337) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/834 "2022-03-02T12:31:09Z")
Thanks for this link, I’ve followed this twitter account to balance the flow of “Ukrainian-positive” stories I’ve been reading lately. I think (at risk of coining a “Frodo-unit”) that the next week is going to be decisive in this conflict, if, say next Wednesday Kiev and Kharkiv are still in Ukrainian hands that would mean that the war would be long and protracted, something I think Russia cannot afford. On the other hand if both cities have fallen and the Russians suceed in defeating most organized resistance then I think that the war will probably short enough for the Russians to succeed, at least for minimal definitions of “succeed”. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/835 "2022-03-02T12:48:36Z")
Roggio is quite a shill for the US Military (ex marine, Iraq contractor\ if memory serves) so he can harldy be accused of being pro Russian. He does have some good sources, I’ll grant. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/836 "2022-03-02T12:53:44Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Roggio is quite a shill for the US Military (ex marine, Iraq contractor\ if memory serves) so he can harldy be accused of being pro Russian. Why not? The previous US President was pro-Russian. Quite a lot of members of Congress are pro-Russian. And of course there’s General Flynn… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/837 "2022-03-02T12:53:56Z")
Noted. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/838 "2022-03-02T13:11:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Why not? The previous US President was pro-Russian. Quite a lot of members of Congress are pro-Russian. And of course there’s General Flynn… What the Russians and plenty of others don’t realize is that up until last week, Russia thought of the United States as its mortal enemy, while the United States thought of Russia as… just another country, when it bothered to think of it at all. That was last week. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/839 "2022-03-02T13:18:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The Ukrainian tax agency has announced that captured Russian tanks, vehicles, and other materiel do not need to be declared as income. Regardless of who wins the shooting war, it’s clear the Ukrainians are winning the troll wars. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/840 "2022-03-02T13:24:02Z")
Mariupol is surrounded. Assault’s begun. A very pro Russian city, since 2014 held down by large amount of Ukrainian regulars and National Guard, the latter including a literal [Neo-Nazi Battalion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Neo-Nazism),. Not going to be pleasant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=43)