# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 423
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8507 "2022-09-24T19:08:39Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I have no idea why you brought citizenship into the discussion, since it’s completely irrelevant to refugee status. Thanks for asking. I wasn’t sure I followed that particular sequence of concepts myself. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8508 "2022-09-24T19:10:47Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > _For starters, support for the Kremlin’s so-called special military operation in Ukraine is not necessarily wholehearted. In August, less than half of survey respondents (46%) reported that they “definitely support” the Russian military’s activities, with 30% saying that they “mostly support” it (figures that have barely changed since April)._ > > So, **76% of russians mostly or definitely support the war** … so spinning it as a “It’s Putin’s war, not the russian’s” does not reflect reality … THE POPULACE in Russia is def. a part of the problem! Considering that disagreeing with the Kremlin has a way of getting people thrown in prison (along with other potential adverse results of honesty), I’d consider those numbers iffy at best. Probably a lot of those respondents (assuming no cherry-picking by survey-takers to slant the results) are operating under “just say what won’t get me in trouble”. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8509 "2022-09-24T19:11:48Z")
In regards to refugee status I truly do not give a shit about the results of that poll. Unless the people fleeing Russia have a distinctly star-shaped birth mark to distinguish the principled from the merely opportunistic, you have to treat them all the same. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8510 "2022-09-24T19:18:24Z")
> **Hidden as Off-topic** > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > Putin isn’t trying to eliminate Russians from the planet > > Supposing that Europe starts sending Russian dissidents and refugees back to Russia, what do you suppose is likely to happen to them? > > > [@](#): > > > > and there isn’t a chance that a Jewish refugee could have been a sleeper agent for the Nazis. > > Did the leaders who turned away Jewish refugees in the 1930s agree? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8511 "2022-09-24T19:24:40Z")
> **Hidden as Off-topic** > > Keep on failing and making ignorant posts. > > He isn’t trying to kill them just because they are Russian. The leaders who turned away Jewish refugees didn’t think that they might be sleeper agents. That never crossed their mind. > > That post was gross and shows an embarrassing ignorance of history. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8512 "2022-09-24T19:25:31Z")
> **Hidden as Off-topic** > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > He isn’t trying to kill them just because they are Russian. > > But he is trying to kill them, yes? > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > The leaders who turned away Jewish refugees didn’t think that they might be sleeper agents. That never crossed their mind. > > [The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies | History| Smithsonian Magazine](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8513 "2022-09-24T19:26:03Z")
I’m not thrilled with Russians getting refugee status. However the men that leave Russia reduce the pool of men available for mobilization. That helps Ukraine. It’s also an embarrassment for Russia that its citizens don’t support the war. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8514 "2022-09-24T19:26:41Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8515 "2022-09-24T19:28:21Z")
**Modnote** : OK, @hajario and @Smapti, take this out of the thread to its own thread. I’m going to hide the last few posts. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8516 "2022-09-24T19:36:22Z")
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**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8517 "2022-09-24T19:38:38Z")
ok, back ON TOPIC… how is the mobilisation going, you might ask? > > ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8518 "2022-09-24T19:45:38Z")
Putin fired the General in charge of Logistics. Trying to remember where I saw that. It was in my Google feed. Well that was easy to find: > **[Dmitry Bulgakov: Putin fires deputy defence chief amid supply failures](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117)** > > Analysts have cited supply chains as a reason why Russia's invasion of Ukraine has faltered. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8519 "2022-09-24T19:55:24Z")
From that article: > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, the New York Times reported that Mr Putin had denied his commanders permission to retreat from the southern city of Kherson, where Ukrainian troops are slowly advancing. > > Citing US intelligence sources, the paper said that his refusal to consider a pullback had caused a decrease in morale among Russian troops in the city, who are largely cut off from their supply lines and rely on a series of pontoon bridges to be re-equipped. You go, Adolf! Just keep that “no retreat” policy in place, and overrule your generals. It’s got a proven track-record. . . . of failure. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8520 "2022-09-24T20:09:40Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > You go, Adolf! Just keep that “no retreat” policy in place, and overrule your generals. It’s got a proven track-record. [Memories May be beautiful and yet What’s too painful to remember We simply to choose to forget](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Sixth_Army_surrounded) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8521 "2022-09-24T20:21:07Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Nope. If refugee status is recognised in the new country, it confers a right of residency. The receiving country cannot expel the refugee and is generally required to provide a path to naturalization. Therein lies the problem. In this case you’re expecting a receiving country to take people from a combatant country as refugees. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8522 "2022-09-24T20:22:30Z")
**Modnudge** : This exchange also needs to end or move to a new thread. It really isn’t on topic after this many posts. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8523 "2022-09-24T20:57:16Z")
not a good day/week/month for russian AF: just today’s harvest: > > [https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1573762334702682112](https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1573762334702682112) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8524 "2022-09-24T21:13:37Z")
[/quote] > [@Al128](#): > > not a good day/week/month for russian AF: > > just today’s harvest: Those videos look like computer games. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8525 "2022-09-24T22:06:20Z")
I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8526 "2022-09-25T03:34:29Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Those videos look like computer games. That was my impression as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=422) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=424)