# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 424
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8527 "2022-09-25T04:15:29Z")
Nearly every single video that I’ve seen from this war has been poor visual quality, horribly edited, or both. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8528 "2022-09-25T05:39:17Z")
Where’s John Ford when you need him? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8529 "2022-09-25T07:02:48Z")
Do they not teach cinematography at boot camp? Are steadicam gimbals not issued to all soldiers? How can Ukraine expect to succeed on the battlefield with only grainy, shaky cam footage to post on Telegram? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8530 "2022-09-25T10:18:51Z")
This guy is dead now. > ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8531 "2022-09-25T11:09:32Z")
Russian-aligned media seem to be painting it as a attack on a civilian building with no military value. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8532 "2022-09-25T11:38:28Z")
Well, they would know what that looks like. ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8533 "2022-09-25T12:12:21Z")
Could be voluntary: give a rusty non functional gun to the recruits…so they don’t shoot the officer at the first occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8534 "2022-09-25T15:39:06Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > Nearly every single video that I’ve seen from this war has been poor visual quality, horribly edited, or both. We’re not talking about poor quality video. The last batch posted were computer animations. Bad ones at that. When presented as war videos that makes them FAKE. The last one looks like someone recorded the recording so they could move the camera around in an attempt to make it harder to see it’s an animation. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8535 "2022-09-25T16:29:50Z")
A wonderful gesture of support. It will change these wounded vets lives. Guardian > [@](#): > > **Israel** will treat 20 Ukrainian soldiers who have been injured in the war with Russia, according to the Israeli ambassador to [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine). > > “Israel will receive for treatment 20 Ukrainian servicemen who were seriously wounded during the war,” [envoy Michael Brodsky tweeted](https://twitter.com/michael_brodsk/status/1574028330155868160). > > The first two patients will arrive on Sunday for treatment at Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv, he added. > > A medical source confirmed to Agence France-Presse that two soldiers were en route to Israel, while a spokesperson for the Ukrainian embassy in Tel Aviv said she expected the first patients to arrive “soon”. > > They will be treated with prosthetics and rehabilitation. > > Sheba Medical Center, Israel’s largest hospital, ran a field hospital in western Ukraine for six weeks following the Russian invasion in February ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8536 "2022-09-25T16:46:33Z")
That’s very impressive. What gives it away that they are fake? Here’s HD footage of the second of the three videos: > > > 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker @UAWeapons ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8537 "2022-09-25T17:04:09Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > There have been new laws added since the war that are harsher for any protest and speech. > Unfortunately this isn’t just happening in Russia, where it is more expected. All over the world, freedom of speech and lawful, peaceful, protest that goes against the government mandates is being more harshly treated I still live in a nation where I can write “Our president is a shithead and a syphilitic goat-felcher” on a sign and go stand outside the White House without being beaten by the authorities or sent away for years to a hard labor camp or drafted. In Russia, you get that treated for standing silently holding up a blank piece of paper. There is simply no comparison. Quit the whataboutery. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8538 "2022-09-25T17:13:01Z")
Tip to anybody with actual, bonafide combat footage. If you want to be taken seriously, don’t score it with a grade D video game soundtrack. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8539 "2022-09-25T17:15:21Z")
**Should I break the Twitter/Video link above?** ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8540 "2022-09-25T17:16:12Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Not mobilizing women?? US, UKR, many western nations have significant percentages of the military as women, including combat positions. Thoughts on why Russia is not including women? > Too much blowback? Looks really weak (even weaker)? Yeah, I was wondering about that - it’s not like the Russia armed forces haven’t had women before (they have). Um… sexism, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8541 "2022-09-25T17:19:40Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Tip to anybody with actual, bonafide combat footage. If you want to be taken seriously, don’t score it with a grade D video game soundtrack. I actually stopped watching the “footage” for this reason. I immediately wondered if it was faked or just not well shot, but the soundtrack was so bad that it would have made me turn it off even if it had been an actual video game. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8542 "2022-09-25T17:19:54Z")
The last time Russia sent women into combat, there wasn’t the chance for their bloody corpses to end up on the Internet to be viewed by the folks back home. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8543 "2022-09-25T17:38:36Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > The west is throwing sanctions at us? … HA!!! … Hold my vodka and watch this!!! > > [https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837](https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573395277419085837) > [@Ludovic](#): > > I haven’t quite unlocked “power level:Russian” in my binge drinking achievements, but if I were about to be sent to a meaningless war where I would quite likely die, I too would want to engage in one last bender in a relatively safe place before I needed to stay frosty with danger literally in all directions. Yeah. I mean, if I was being dragged into a war I wanted no part of on the losing side getting “comfortably numb” starts to look pretty damn attractive. > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I worry that the “inductions” as it were are really just pre-textual. Like an extrajudicial execution with extra steps. I don’t mean “step 1 induct into service, step 2 send to war zone, step 3 wait for them to get killed.” I mean “step 1 induct into service, step 2 send _towards_ war zone, step 3 tell everyone to get off the bus, step 4 distribute shovels, step 5 tell everyone to start digging a ditch in the forest (or defensive trench, whatever), step 6 shoot every last one of them.” Burial optional, blaming the Ukrainians optional, calling them deserters—whereabouts unknown—probably cheapest. You almost had it. Step 5, have everyone dig a long ditch Step 6, have everyone line up along the ditch while retrieving shovels from them Step 7, shoot everyone so they fall back into the ditch. In other words have them dig their own graves. We’ve seen this sort of thing before. We just don’t like our thoughts to go there. Problem is, Putin’s regime IS going there. > [@Kedikat](#): > > I suspect this might be real with Chechen and Wagner, units. But not so sure if they would do it to Russian regular force members. Maybe only their own. They are very zealous, hardcore. It may also be true of Ukraine Kraken unit. Also very hardcore. Good lord - have you studied Russian history? Absolutely the Russia army would use enforcers or “blocker brigades” on their own troops. _It’s been done in the past_ so why not now? Also - more of your whataboutery - saying “maybe those are doing it” doesn’t disprove the Russians doing it to their own, or make it any better in any way. > [@Kedikat](#): > > I am curious. Given both sides great impetus to BS massively on casualty rates. Where are folks getting any numbers that they feel are real? The Ukrainians are, apparently, documenting as much as they can and attempting to reach the families of the dead and captured in Russia - something the Russian authorities are NOT doing, by the way. While I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian numbers are less than 100% correct the greater documentation they’re providing lends more credence to their claims than those of the Russians. Rather like stats on destroyed hardware - both sides likely use inflated figures, but photo documentation of Russian hardware destroyed by Ukraine again lends credence to Ukrainian numbers and gives us a hard minimum that we can, for sure, know are destroyed/dead. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8544 "2022-09-25T17:52:52Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Yeah, the Russian people should not be seen as the enemy here. That just leads towards hatred and petty reprisals. It’s the Russian leadership that is the problem. I don’t care if it is purely selfish - every Russian that wants out from under that particular regime should be given the option of fleeing. That, and every Russian of military age that leaves instead of being forced to fight is one less soldier in Putin’s army, reducing Putin’s resources to fight this war. Even so - some caution needs to be used in admitting refugees. Both for security reasons and to avoid overburdening any one nation outside of Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8545 "2022-09-25T17:55:28Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > [https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAAhttps://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAAhttps://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAA](https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAAhttps://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAAhttps://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1573705233536098304?cxt=HHwWgIC9oc6k9tYrAAAA) Curious - did the Ukrainians pay in vodka? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8546 "2022-09-25T18:10:28Z")
The “mobilization” is already a disaster and will only get worse. With thousands fleeing Russia and the draft focusing on convicts, protestors, unwilling ethnic minorities, and men who are not reservists and were never in the army, you have to wonder what kind of morale these new recruits will have in an army that is already demoralized, incompetent, and corrupt. On top of all that Putin doesn’t remotely have the training capacity or equipment to support them. And further on top of all that, Putin is trying to micromanage the war and the generals are fighting amongst each other. This is not going to end well. > **[Protests, drafting mistakes and an exodus: Putin's mobilization off to...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/25/europe/russian-mobilization-putin-exodus-chaos-new-laws-intl-hnk/index.html)** > > Russia's "partial mobilization" for its war in Ukraine is off to a chaotic start amid protests, drafting mistakes and an exodus of citizens fleeing Russia, as the Kremlin tightens rules around evading military orders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=423) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=425)