# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 428
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8607 "2022-09-26T19:17:34Z")
To be fair though, internet assholes are a dime a dozen in any country. If Zoom and social media were available in 2003, it would have been trivial for an Iraqi civilian blogger to find dozens of Americans calling him all sorts of dehumanizing and insulting names without answering questions as to why. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8608 "2022-09-26T19:18:41Z")
Training is basic practice in militaries. I remember reading that Russia sent their training units to fight early in the war. I have no idea what Russia will do to rebuild the training units now. It needs to be done. I hope they don’t burn the training manuals to stay warm. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8609 "2022-09-26T19:31:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I hope they don’t burn the training manuals to stay warm. You’re assuming they have training manuals to begin with. At this point, that’s not an assumption I’d be willing to back. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8610 "2022-09-26T20:16:12Z")
Putin met with Lukashenko today. There seems to be an imprint of something rectangular on his back under his jacket. Bulletproof vest? [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdkUu41WYAAisWx?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdkUu41WYAAisWx?format=jpg&name=large) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8611 "2022-09-26T20:24:08Z")
Last I heard, the 300,000 conscripts were being given about a day of training and then put onto trains for Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8612 "2022-09-26T20:32:57Z")
Lukashenko also told Putin not to worry that thousands of Russians are trying to flee Russia, saying that thousands of Belarusians fled Belarus in 2020 (after sham presidential election) but later wanted to return. > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8613 "2022-09-26T21:02:36Z")
Has anyone seen any reliable reports of Ukrainian efforts to disrupt the annexation referendum? Partisans damaging offices or the personal records of the locals? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8614 "2022-09-26T21:36:58Z")
Apparently, there was a school shooting in Russia today but someone wearing a swastika shirt. I wonder if Putin (or the Russian media) will try to pin it on Ukraine somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8615 "2022-09-26T21:50:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Has anyone seen any reliable reports of Ukrainian efforts to disrupt the annexation referendum? I haven’t seen anything about this but the polls are being very very heavily guarded and are being conducted mainly house to house. Actual polling stations are thin on the ground and may only be open for a few hours on one day. I did see this though: [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-says-it-wont-recognise-referendums-eastern-ukraine-2022-09-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-says-it-wont-recognise-referendums-eastern-ukraine-2022-09-26/) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8616 "2022-09-26T22:49:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > They’re no threat to Russia unless Russia attacks. In that case, there would be a violent UN response. But they’re no threat to Russia unless Russia refuses to respect their authority. I don’t see where, up to this point, Russia has respected the authority of anyone other than Russia. I don’t know why you think Putin would respect the authority of the UN. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8617 "2022-09-26T23:07:46Z")
Somebody in Russia has read Tom Clancy’s _Red Storm Rising_. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8618 "2022-09-26T23:36:58Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Maybe Finland could send the Ukrainians trainers for winter warfare. They did a damn good job against Russia during the Winter War. you are aware that Ukr. is fighting 8 winters against russians, already … I doubt they need somebody explaining the concept to them ;o) > [@Lumpy](#): > > I’ve read comments that Ukraine’s counter-offensive will be studied for decades as a brilliantly planned and executed military campaign. But how instructive is it taking into account that the Russians were spectacularly mismanaged and demoralized? How often does one face a totally incompetent enemy? I think the Ukr. did one thing exceptionally well… they completely leveraged off russian weaknesses … e.g. fracturing the chain of command and letting sit units there completely “headless” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8619 "2022-09-26T23:52:41Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t see where, up to this point, Russia has respected the authority of anyone other than Russia. I don’t know why you think Putin would respect the authority of the UN. Kabuki form must be followed. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8620 "2022-09-27T00:14:26Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > I did see this though: [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-says-it-wont-recognise-referendums-eastern-ukraine-2022-09-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-says-it-wont-recognise-referendums-eastern-ukraine-2022-09-26/) That reaction by Kazahkstan makes perfect sense. If Russia can pull that off with one former Soviet republic, what’s to stop them from trying it in another former Soviet republic? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8621 "2022-09-27T00:54:39Z")
No need to squabble over the captured Russian T-90 tank. Ukrainians “found” two more in running condition. One, off road in the ditch, is still churning its track. High centered on the road edge. The other is stuck in a swampy area. Tractor brigade is probably on the way. > ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8622 "2022-09-27T01:02:08Z")
Multiple sources: Funding bill includes more than $12 billion on Ukraine [https://www.nbc12.com/2022/09/26/ap-source-funding-bill-includes-more-than-12-billion-ukraine/?outputType=amp](https://www.nbc12.com/2022/09/26/ap-source-funding-bill-includes-more-than-12-billion-ukraine/?outputType=amp) Senators from both parties have been largely supportive of providing Ukraine with more military assistance. The White House request for the spending bill included $11.7 billion for security and economic assistance for Ukraine, on top of some $53 billion Congress had already approved through two previous bills. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8623 "2022-09-27T01:26:57Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > haven’t seen anything about this but the polls are being very very heavily guarded and are being conducted mainly house to house. There are also reports of people being required to vote orally so there isn’t even the illusion of a secret ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8624 "2022-09-27T01:29:00Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That reaction by Kazahkstan makes perfect sense. If Russia can pull that off with one former Soviet republic, what’s to stop them from trying it in another former Soviet republic? This. I would imagine most of the “aligned but not captive”\* republics will think along the same lines. \* Belarus and Chechnya being captive. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8625 "2022-09-27T05:27:49Z")
Very Bad day at the Russian drone base. Not fully confirmed but ISW felt confident enough to report. Would be very significant if the Iranian drone trainers are no longer alive. I added bolding for clarity. ISW [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 26 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-26) > [@](#): > > Unconfirmed reports suggest Ukrainian forces may have destroyed a Russian drone control and training center that directed drone attacks against Ukraine, possibly killing Iranian trainers. Ukrainian **journalist Andriiy Tsapienko claimed that Ukrainian forces avenged Russian drone attacks on Odesa by striking the Russian facility in Chulakivka on the Kinburn Spit of Kherson Oblast on September 26 and claimed that the Ukrainian strikes killed four dozen Russians and two dozen Iranian trainers teaching Russian forces how to use Iranian-made drones like the Shahed-136.[24] Russian forces have used Iranian-made Shahed-136 munitions to strike targets in Odesa in recent days, as ISW has previously reported. ISW cannot independently confirm Tsapienko’s reporting,** and Ukrainian government sources did not report an attack on a drone command center. Ukraine’s Southern Operations Command reported on September 26 that Ukrainian forces conducted a strike on at least one ammunition warehouse in the Kinburn Spit but did not mention a drone center.[25] Ukraine’s Odesa Military Administration Spokesperson Serhiy Bratchuk also confirmed on September 26 that Ukrainian forces attacked unspecified targets in the Kinburn Spit.[26] The spit is the westernmost land the Russians still control in the Black Sea within 4 km of Ukrainian-controlled Ochakiv at its closest point, making it an excellent location for a drone command center from which Russia could direct attacks deep into unoccupied Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8626 "2022-09-27T06:30:15Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Did you see Russia’s newest law? They’re requiring troops to fight and not voluntarily surrender. “Everything old is new again”. So, will we see a _kommissar_ in every unit, pistol at the ready? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=427) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=429)