# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 429
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8627 "2022-09-27T06:48:08Z")
For what it’s worth, the American military’s Code of Conduct, in articles 2 and 3, **[says](https://www.shaw.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1565700/getting-to-know-code-of-conduct-articles-i-iii/)** “I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist. … If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.” So the Russian prohibition on surrender is by no means unique. Only, perhaps, the severity of the penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8628 "2022-09-27T09:19:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Did you see Russia’s newest law? They’re requiring troops to fight and not voluntarily surrender. isn’t the newest law the one that claims Putin won the war … ? (or was that an _actual_ joke?) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8629 "2022-09-27T09:20:32Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > So the Russian prohibition on surrender is by no means unique. Did I say it was? ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8630 "2022-09-27T09:57:05Z")
No need to even pretend this is a fair election, so let’s play the Russian National anthem before this vote on whether we want to join Russia (video in the linked Tweet). > > > Manel Alías @ManelAlias ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8631 "2022-09-27T10:00:29Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > No need to even pretend this is a fair election, so let’s play the Russian National anthem before this vote on whether we want to join Russia (video in the linked Tweet). hold my Bier and watch this: Austria, 1938 [![](https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/images/98001899.jpg) ](https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/images/98001899.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8632 "2022-09-27T12:32:00Z")
Latest Russian milblogger map of Lyman area: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdqNt39XkAAevu5?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdqNt39XkAAevu5?format=jpg&name=large) Looks like the circle is closing. (Compare quoted post for three days ago comparison) ---
**Author:** ![teelabrown](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teelabrown/32/8412_2.png) [@teelabrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teelabrown)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8633 "2022-09-27T12:59:26Z")
Drone footage of massive traffic jam of people fleeing Russia to avoid conscription. [Footage starts at about 1:47.](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/09/26/russia-mobilization-protests-ovn-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8634 "2022-09-27T13:09:40Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist I think this is a key clause, and I wouldn’t consider “we still have one partial magazine for one of our M16’s” as means to resist. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8635 "2022-09-27T13:09:56Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Last I heard, the 300,000 conscripts were being given about a day of training and then put onto trains for Ukraine. A day’s training? What extravagance! > ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8636 "2022-09-27T13:20:11Z")
A general observation and question: is it just me or do the Ukrainians give the appearance of being able to conduct river crossings with relative ease where the Russians - with vastly more combat engineering resources available - have frequently struggled to effect crossings. I’m thinking back on the attempted river crossing in May where they [\>attempted a river crossing near Bilohorivka](https://www.yahoo.com/now/russian-catastrophe-bilohorivka-river-crossing-121900557.html) and ended up losing an entire battalion. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8637 "2022-09-27T13:41:30Z")
Maybe because Russia’s satellite capability lags far behind that of the West, making it harder to identify and target river crossings. > **[In Russia's War On Ukraine, Effective Satellites Are Few And Far Between](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-satellites-ukraine-war-gps/31797618.html)** > > Russia has long been saddled with a small and inadequate fleet of communications and surveillance satellites that in many cases rely on outdated technology or on imported parts that are harder to come by as a result of Western sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8638 "2022-09-27T13:47:10Z")
Then perhaps they should have thought twice before starting this little adventure. They expected to drive all the way to Kiev? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8639 "2022-09-27T13:49:21Z")
They were _expecting_ to be greeted as liberators. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8640 "2022-09-27T14:29:03Z")
More Russian dirty tactics? Won’t know until the investigation. > **[Q+A What is known so far about the Nord Stream gas pipeline leaks](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/qa-what-is-known-so-far-about-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leaks-2022-09-27/)** > > Unexplained gas leaks detected in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia to Germany have prompted investigations by European countries into the cause, including possible sabotage. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8641 "2022-09-27T14:53:30Z")
Preliminary results have been announced (even though “voting” is still underway) - 97% in Kherson region - 98% in Zaporizhzhia - 98% in “Donetsk People’s Republic” - 98% in “Luhansk People’s Republic” [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdqpJ86XgAgsLdj?format=jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdqpJ86XgAgsLdj?format=jpg) (translation is by BBC’s Ukraine correspondent James Waterhouse) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8642 "2022-09-27T14:56:16Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > They were _expecting_ to be greeted as liberators. Has that _ever_ worked out as a war plan? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8643 "2022-09-27T14:57:47Z")
The allies in WWII ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8644 "2022-09-27T14:58:58Z")
Yes, but they were actually liberating occupied territory. “Liberating” people from their own government is a different proposition. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8645 "2022-09-27T15:12:09Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Has that _ever_ worked out as a war plan? My recollection is that in the second Iraq war, the US and allies were generally greeted with happiness (if not the rose petals that were promised). I thought it was the completely unplanned post-liberation occupation that ended up turning the masses against us. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8646 "2022-09-27T15:15:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, but they were actually liberating occupied territory. “Liberating” people from their own government is a different proposition. A couple different things going on Even if it’s manufactured, you still need something resembling a valid casus belli To an extent, they were high on their own supply - there was some belief that the local populace really did want to be annexed or at least rid of their current leadership and would welcome a liberating force. The US made the same mistake in Iraq. They decided to listen uncritically to people telling them what they wanted to hear All this nonsense about crypto-Nazis is, of course, stage dressing [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=428) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=430)