# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 430
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8647 "2022-09-27T15:21:20Z")
Well yes, when intending to be greeted as a liberator it really helps to actually be liberating someone. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8648 "2022-09-27T15:25:30Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > - 97% in Kherson region > - 98% in Zaporizhzhia > - 98% in “Donetsk People’s Republic” > - 98% in “Luhansk People’s Republic” I think you could ask people whether water is good for you, yes or no, and have a hard time getting those results. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8649 "2022-09-27T15:41:46Z")
I’m impressed with the 2% of the people who told someone with a gun ‘no, I want to stay in Ukraine’. And also somewhat impressed with the person who actually tabulated that vote. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8650 "2022-09-27T15:53:03Z")
The two to three percent ‘No’ portion is obviously baked in to make the vote look more realistic. “See: a liar would’ve put an even 100 % there.” It kinda works, too, if you are dealing with pre-schoolers or some other higher mammals. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8651 "2022-09-27T16:05:37Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I think you could ask people whether water is good for you, yes or no, and have a hard time getting those results. Not at gunpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8652 "2022-09-27T16:30:58Z")
There wasn’t any tabulation. What amuses me is that the Russians think that 98% is the “correct” overwhelming majority vote to broadcast as propaganda. It’s either meant purely for internal consumption or they’re utterly clueless about western democracies, although I guess ‘both’ is also a strong possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8653 "2022-09-27T16:39:38Z")
It seems a bit much to think that three different pipelines (North Stream 1 has two pipes) should develop leaks spontaneously and in the same area. Probably sabotage. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8654 "2022-09-27T16:45:44Z")
Yeah, it seems that seismic stations registered an explosion near them: > **[Scandinavian seismic stations register explosions near pipelines, raising...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/scandinavian-seismic-stations-register-explosions-near-pipelines-raising-fears-of-sabotage)** > > A series of unusual leaks on two natural gas pipelines running from Russia under the Baltic Sea to Germany have triggered concerns about sabotage. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8655 "2022-09-27T16:48:15Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > What amuses me is that the Russians think that 98% is the “correct” overwhelming majority vote to broadcast as propaganda. That’s what I felt when they announced a similar percentage in the Crimea referendum. I’m not sure that the Crimea vote _wouldn’t_ have passed if there were a completely fair and well-attended election, but even given the election boycott and not wanting to be intimidated at the polls, 98% is still way too high even for Crimea which contained a lot of Russian speakers. But 98% in the more firmly Ukrainian regions is just nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8656 "2022-09-27T16:56:27Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I think the Ukr. did one thing exceptionally well… they completely leveraged off russian weaknesses … e.g. fracturing the chain of command and letting sit units there completely “headless” They’re also killing it on the propaganda side, taunting the Russians, supporting Ukrainians, and marshaling support from other countries. Russia’s ham-handed pronouncements are only taken seriously by those with a vested interest in believing Russia. With Ukraine, even if you think they might be bullshitting a little, it’s so well done you’re willing to give them a pass on the bullshit, because they’re taunting the Russians so well. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8657 "2022-09-27T17:48:26Z")
[![](https://morganrlewis.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mop-051.jpg) ](https://morganrlewis.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mop-051.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8658 "2022-09-27T17:53:27Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > They’re also killing it on the propaganda side, taunting the Russians, supporting Ukrainians, and marshaling support from other countries. Ukraine’s audience for its propaganda is the west, Russia’s audience is internal - and I think that affects the output significantly. Although clearly the Ukrainians are quite brilliant at it. Ukrainian counts of Russian casualties have to tread a fine line between raising their own side’s morale and sending the message to the west that Ukraine can win but needs more help. Russia just wants to make it look like they are winning to be able to justify starting the war in the first place. Ukraine also knows that a western audience will not respond well to things that may break international law or the Geneva Convention. Russia must be aggressor here and it needs to be good vs bad. Hence things like Ukraine’s Geneva-compliant guide to Russian soldiers about how to surrender. > **[Ukraine wrote a Geneva-compliant “surrendering guide” for Russian and...](https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/03/03/ukraine-wrote-a-geneva-compliant-surrendering-guide-for-russian-and-belarusian-invaders/)** > > Even in the extreme conditions of an all-out war, Ukrainian civil society continues to innovate to find better or improved ways to fight it. The most efficient way of fighting would be to disarm an enemy soldier even before he had a chance to fire... ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8659 "2022-09-27T19:06:43Z")
[Russians Outflanked-On & Off the Battlefield!! Ukraine Daily Update 27 September 2022 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkUJrja1iS8) A blogger I follow does a fair job explaining how Russian forces in Lyman are now ‘operationally encircled’. Basically they’re surrounded on three sides by Ukrainian forces and the remaining uncaptured road leading to Lyman that supplies can still (theoretically) get through are well within range of and covered by Ukr. artillery fire. It is a crying shame that the weather in the region looks to rain every day for at least the next week, thereby turning the ground into a quagmire, preventing Ukr from completely surrounding the Lyman pocket. High river levels may also jeopardize the pontoon bridges that Ukr is using for their lines of communication. Damn this weather. They’ve got the Russians where they want them now. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8660 "2022-09-27T19:07:38Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Russia just wants to make it look like they are winning to be able to justify starting the war in the first place. That’s some _casus belli_ – 'Cause we would win. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8661 "2022-09-27T20:05:02Z")
> > > > TASS @tassagency\_en ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8662 "2022-09-27T20:16:27Z")
Unfortunately, there are a number of small roads crossing the reservoir. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8663 "2022-09-27T20:22:09Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > They’re also killing it on the propaganda side, taunting the Russians, supporting Ukrainians, and marshaling support from other countries. Russia’s ham-handed pronouncements are only taken seriously by those with a vested interest in believing Russia. With Ukraine, even if you think they might be bullshitting a little, it’s so well done you’re willing to give them a pass on the bullshit, because they’re taunting the Russians so well. yep, def. best-in-class war propaganda ever… on a purely “technical” level, they out-propaganda even the Nazis … but with lots of wit, humor, human-interest and local colorite …(tractor brigade, russian warship…) what I find surprising - that all started pretty much “from scratch” - or at least it gives you the sensation that a lot is genuinely grassroots (as opposed to being orchestrated by a corporate PR enterprise) … with “Russian soldier vs. glass door” and “5 russian soldiers fully armed in an elevator who gets shut down” as personal favourites 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8664 "2022-09-27T20:23:40Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > with “Russian soldier vs. glass door” and “5 russian soldiers fully armed in an elevator who gets shut down” as personal favourites 😉 I loved the videos of “We captured this Russian Soldier, and made him call his mother so he could tell her what a bad boy he’s been.” ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8665 "2022-09-27T20:28:42Z")
if anything - they sometimes do such a fine job that I go there for “entertainment value” … which is clearly wrong - after all its a real war and 10s of 1000s of people are dead or maimed for life 🤧 especially the drone-drops-explosive-$hit stuff is really trainwreck material for me … I dont want to look but I am surely rubbernecking ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/8666 "2022-09-27T20:36:54Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Unfortunately, there are a number of small roads crossing the reservoir. Although it looks like Ukrainian forces may be attempting to do the cutting off to the west of the reservoir. > From Russian milblogger Rybar’s Telegram, via Google Translate: > [@](#): > > Today crest attacked n / a Kolodezi, tried to jump in from three sides at once. But the units of the “twice guards” 20 OA held their positions. “Crest” is how Google translates khokhol, Russia’s ethnic slur for Ukrainians, based on their traditional haircut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=429) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=431)