# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 455
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9149 "2022-10-06T18:45:04Z")
But if the Ukrainians wanted to use the bridge afterwards, they’d have to clear the area of their own mines. Another thought is that it might be a good idea to leave an escape route for light vehicle/foot traffic. Faced with “fight or die” (assuming surrender is not an option) they might as well fight. “Fight, die or run” ? “Leave that shit here! Let’s go!” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9150 "2022-10-06T18:55:53Z")
Anti-armor mines would trigger for almost any vehicle, so good luck escaping in a truck or a stolen car, or withdrawing your armor in good order. Hoof it out if you wish, with as much as you can carry. Also, I think most artillery mines have a timed self-destruct to prevent mine clearing from being a long-term problem. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9151 "2022-10-06T19:01:00Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Also, I think most artillery mines have a timed self-destruct to prevent mine clearing from being a long-term problem. I was just reading up on this. I couldn’t find whether they could set the mines to turn off after only a couple of days, because they might want to quickly follow up and cross the bridge. Also, according to Wikipedia, an acceptable failure rate for self-destruct is 10%, so if even 1% of them are never turned off, it would still be too dangerous to reliably use immediately (not to mention possible Russian mines.) So with a non-negligible failure rate, (if that’s true), it seems that self-destructing mines are more useful for reducing civilian casualties after the war rather than allowing the military to not have to sweep a known, but old, minefield during a war. But of course the details are probably secret so who knows what the failure rates and modes for self-destruct are. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9152 "2022-10-06T19:09:10Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Is there maybe an anti-personnel type mine they could shoot? Nice to see that neither the US nor Russia have signed the Mine Ban Treaty, although Ukraine apparently has. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9153 "2022-10-06T19:20:27Z")
Two Russians from Siberia have landed at a remote island in Alaska seeking asylum. > **[2 Russians seek asylum after reaching remote Alaska island](https://www.cbs17.com/news/ap-2-russians-seek-asylum-after-reaching-remote-alaska-island/amp/)** > > JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Two Russians who said they fled the country to avoid military service have requested asylum in the U.S. after landing in a small boat on a remote Alaska island in the Bering S… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9154 "2022-10-06T19:56:14Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Duh! Sorry about that, need to pay more attention. I’d been wondering myself but was too lazy to ask. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9155 "2022-10-06T20:02:19Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Is there maybe an anti-personnel type mine they could shoot? [ADAM](https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/land/adam.htm) – Area Denial Anti-personnel Mine, a 155mm round with 36 mines. They’re no good for deploying on pavement though – The mines shatter. Does gravel count? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9156 "2022-10-06T20:15:41Z")
Who’s going to break the news to Goderich? [![](https://x-default-stgec.uplynk.com/ausw/slices/d4a/be88c4e651db4a7dbe102614d7272948/d4ad22395ba3412a94f4f848533f4ba8/poster_07f7ff1c1e4c4ead8a917c93d5ee55cb.jpg) ](https://x-default-stgec.uplynk.com/ausw/slices/d4a/be88c4e651db4a7dbe102614d7272948/d4ad22395ba3412a94f4f848533f4ba8/poster_07f7ff1c1e4c4ead8a917c93d5ee55cb.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9157 "2022-10-06T20:19:02Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9158 "2022-10-06T20:19:20Z")
The weather info is above the capitals of the five provinces that Russia has now created from “annexed” Ukrainian land - the capitals being Yalta, Kherson, Melitopol, Donetsk and Luhansk. The weather is not shown for neighboring areas of Ukraine not under Russian control/“ownership”. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9159 "2022-10-06T20:23:47Z")
Correction - the capital of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is at Simferopol, not Yalta. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9160 "2022-10-06T20:28:34Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Two Russians from Siberia have landed at a remote island in Alaska seeking asylum. > > [2 Russians seek asylum after reaching remote Alaska island – CBS17.com](https://www.cbs17.com/news/ap-2-russians-seek-asylum-after-reaching-remote-alaska-island/amp/) Thirty six miles by boat from Siberia. That’s a nice quick trip to safety. Palin was probably really mad, since she could see them coming from her house. > [@DesertDog](#): > > I’d been wondering myself but was too lazy to ask. When you live in a northern part of the US, they often show Canadian city temps. If you are in Minnesota during the winter you can be sure they will show you the temp at Igloolik. Usually about 1000 below zero, give or take a degree. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The weather info is above the capitals of the five provinces that Russia has now created from “annexed” Ukrainian land I wonder how much land Ukraine has to take back before Russia drops the “annexed” lands from their weather maps? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9161 "2022-10-06T21:33:17Z")
I like how Melitopol is the capital of Zaporizhzhia Oblast instead of Zaporizhzhia. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9162 "2022-10-06T21:35:14Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Also, I think most artillery mines have a timed self-destruct to prevent mine clearing from being a long-term problem. The RAAM devices have a battery run down to trigger self-destruct. A certain number of the mines have an anti-tampering sensor to discourage de-mining by soldiers just picking them up and moving them. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9163 "2022-10-06T22:13:18Z")
I noticed that as well. 😄 The administrative centre of the occupation Zaporizhzhia Military-Civilian Administration is at Melitopol, rather than Zaporizhzhia, since that city, which is both larger and the traditional administrative centre of the province, is under Ukrainian control. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Russian_Occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast.svg/645px-Russian_Occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast.svg.png?20221004100255) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Russian_Occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast.svg/645px-Russian_Occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast.svg.png?20221004100255) > **[Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast)** > > .mw-parser-output .legend{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .legend-color{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid black;background-color:transparent;color:black}.mw-parser-output .legend-text{}  Ukrainian territory never occupied  Ukrainian territory liberated from occupation  Russian-occupied territory in Ukraine > The Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast is an ongoing military o... ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9164 "2022-10-07T00:06:47Z")
> . it keeps raining shit on russia … interesting angle on the numbers involved, though … ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9165 "2022-10-07T00:59:35Z")
The tank capture video is followed a few tweets down by a propaganda video > Which has a pretty funny tagline – “_Our sunflowers don’t fertilize themselves_.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9166 "2022-10-07T01:55:30Z")
The Ukrainian propaganda effort is going to be studied for a long time. They’ve been just brilliant at it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9167 "2022-10-07T01:56:33Z")
Yes, they have been. And Russian propaganda has been stuck in the 1940, at best. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9168 "2022-10-07T02:44:04Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > When you live in a northern part of the US, they often show Canadian city temps. I was wondering that. Here in Arizona no temps in Mexico are shown, possibly because the population density is pretty light until you get down to Mexico City. The only towns of note, Nogales, Agua Prieta, and Ciudad Juarez are right by the border and temps of their sister-cities, Nogales, Douglas, and El Paso, would match anyway. > [@eschereal](#): > > “_Our sunflowers don’t fertilize themselves_.” Oof. Reminds me of that babushka handing out seed packets. I hope she’s still around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=454) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=456)