# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 468
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9409 "2022-10-09T21:50:41Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > how did a country that can’t track 1.5 million uniforms within it’s own boarders The general consensus is that the uniforms never existed. Maybe a thousand, shipped to surplus stores in other countries. I mean, how do you expect to make money doing stuff if you actually have to do the stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9410 "2022-10-09T21:50:42Z")
I’m still waiting for proof it was done with a truck. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9411 "2022-10-09T21:56:32Z")
I am also not 100% convinced it was a truck. Some odd video sequences floating around. For now I am going with truck. But prepared to be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9412 "2022-10-09T22:03:16Z")
The spot that the detonation happened, seems to indicate direct visual contact and control. Otherwise, why not do it at the top of the span? Seeing the tanker train right there, may have induced decision to detonate early, hoping train bridge might also be destroyed. Top of bridge might have caused more long lasting, hard to repair damage, but no damage to train bridge. Wish I could see more video showing top of deck metal structure deformations. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9413 "2022-10-09T22:09:47Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > It seems obvious that Ukraine intelligence services created and conducted the operation Please provide cites and the evidence on which you base this. > [@Kedikat](#): > > The driver seems to have been unaware. And you know this… how? It is not even certain that it was a truck rather than a boat/barge/drone. > [@Kedikat](#): > > A fortuitous string of drop off and pickup of loads that brings a random vehicle ever closer to the target seems a good plan. Any one of the pickups could have been the bomb. Way too complicated a plan, with too many opportunities to be discovered. The Russian claim is typical of over-elaborate lies. > [@Kedikat](#): > > The spot that the detonation happened, seems to indicate direct visual contact and control. Otherwise, why not do it at the top of the span? It’s easier to hide under the lower road if you’re going by water? > [@Kedikat](#): > > Wish I could see more video showing top of deck metal structure deformations. Pretty sure the Russians will minimize any video showing actual damage to the bridge in any detail. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9414 "2022-10-09T22:20:42Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Wish I could see more video showing top of deck metal structure deformations. Did the blast radius not end up in the strait? ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9415 "2022-10-09T23:17:50Z")
Unfortunately the senior Ukrainian official wishes to remain unnamed. So could still be just talk. > **[Blast on Crimean Bridge Deals Blow to Russian War Effort in Ukraine](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/world/europe/ukraine-crimea-bridge-explosion.html)** > > Any impediment to traffic on the bridge could affect Russia’s ability to wage war in southern Ukraine, where Ukraine’s forces have been fighting an increasingly effective counteroffensive. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9416 "2022-10-09T23:19:22Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@Kedikat](#): > > > > The driver seems to have been unaware. > > And you know this… how? It is not even certain that it was a truck rather than a boat/barge/drone. Seems to have been… as in I do not know this. I suspect it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9417 "2022-10-09T23:19:39Z")
**Modnote** : This is a breaking news thread, please stop reporting things as fact that are rumor or speculation. This will not be tolerated of you any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9418 "2022-10-09T23:22:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@Kedikat](#): > > > > Wish I could see more video showing top of deck metal structure deformations. > > Pretty sure the Russians will minimize any video showing actual damage to the bridge in any detail. Hopefully some workers might post stuff. But probably have to wait quite a while for that. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9419 "2022-10-09T23:32:57Z")
The head of the Belarussian border service claims that Ukraine has bombed all bridges and mined all roads between the two countries. > ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9420 "2022-10-09T23:37:05Z")
If so, why shouldn’t they? Frankly, I think that as Ukraine regains control of its territory, it should plough up all highways connecting to Russia, and cut all rail lines, on its side of the border, leaving like a mile’s worth of open, dug up field in what used to be a railway or a road. And keep ploughing it regularly, so it never settles, and is prime mud territory. Whatever economic advantage of trade with Russia in the future (ha!) is far outweighed by doing everything possible to ensure that Russian lorries and Russian trains don’t have any easy access to Ukraine for the next time. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9421 "2022-10-09T23:40:56Z")
Good decision. There were reports of a lot of forces massed in Belarus. Narrows down the entry point for those forces. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9422 "2022-10-10T02:02:10Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > They’ve fielded thousands of calls so far. Doubtless the phones of Russian soldiers, especially the conscripts, are being confiscated. There’s an idea for another expenditure: Fly drones overhead dropping activated burner phones like confetti. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9423 "2022-10-10T02:18:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m itching to see the 182,000 sprayed at a field of Russian infantry walking in the open… You a Twain fan? > **[The War Prayer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Prayer)** > > "The War Prayer", a short story or prose poem by Mark Twain, is a scathing indictment of war, and particularly of blind patriotic and religious fervor as motivations for war. The structure of the work is simple: an unnamed country goes to war, and patriotic citizens attend a church service for soldiers who have been called up. The people call upon God to grant them victory and protect their troops. Suddenly, an "aged stranger" appears and announces that he is God's messenger. He explains to them ... [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The\_War\_Prayer](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_War_Prayer) > When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory – must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9424 "2022-10-10T04:43:25Z")
ISW devoted a special edition to the Kerch Strait Bridge Explosion and other war failures. How it’s undermining confidence in Putin’s ability to win the war. Up till recently the Russians saw Zelensky’s government as the Rodney Dangerfield in this war. _I don’t get no respect._ You’ll have to imagine him adjusting his tie. 🙂 Glad to see that changing in Russia. Cite [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 9 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-9) > [@](#): > > **The perception of the trajectory of the war and of Ukrainian capabilities is changing as well, and Russians are undergoing a rude awakening.** Russian sources have recognized that the Ukrainian southern counter-offensive poses a significant threat to Russian forces across southern Ukraine.[10] This recognition is a significant deviation from the previous narrative presented by propagandists, milbloggers, and the Russian MoD for months that Ukrainian counter-offensives in Kherson Oblast were impossible or had failed.[11] Russian sources are shifting their alibis to claim that Ukrainians would not be successful without NATO’s direct involvement, advancing the narrative that Russia is fighting against the powerful Western bloc rather than lowly Ukraine.[12] It is unclear how such excuses are affecting domestic audiences from the information available in open source, but sudden departures from months-long declarations of Ukraine’s inability to advance in the south may prompt some concern among the Russian public that is already preoccupied with mobilization fears. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9425 "2022-10-10T08:59:57Z")
Russia is getting even for the bridge attack. They’re bombing the shit out of Kyiv. > ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9426 "2022-10-10T11:28:02Z")
On the BBC radio this morning, the “experts” were convinced that the damage to the road bridge had to have come from underneath. They assumed some kind of remotely piloted craft loaded with HE and detonated remotely. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9427 "2022-10-10T11:29:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I think you want to use the genitive plural “рыб” there to at least be grammatically sensible. “People named Dolphines, they thank the fish?” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9428 "2022-10-10T12:12:28Z")
Multiple places. Kiyv, Lviv and elsewhere. They have [a new field commander,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Surovikin) who looks like a cut price [Ivan Konev](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Konev). Maybe he is trying to establish his credentials? Rumor has it he is preparing to try again with Kiyv. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=467) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=469)