# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 474
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9541 "2022-10-11T13:11:06Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Russia begins a counter-offensive of its own in the direction of Lyman in the last 12 hours. General Surovikin is already reshaping the war. He may be the most capable and dangerous commander the Ukrainians will fight. > **[Sergei Surovikin: the ‘General Armageddon’ now in charge of Russia’s war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/10/sergei-surovikin-the-general-armageddon-now-in-charge-of-russias-war)** > > Commander of attack on Ukraine described as ‘absolutely ruthless, with little regard for human life’ > [@](#): > > On Monday morning, just two days after being [appointed as the first overall commander](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/08/russia-appoints-notorious-general-sergei-surovikin-ukraine) for the war in Ukraine, Surovikin [brought](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/10/explosions-kyiv-ukraine-war-russia-crimea-putin-bridge) his violent Syria playbook closer to home, with a flurry of rocket attacks against civilian targets across Ukraine, which included a major road junction next to a university and a children’s playground in a park. > > “I am not surprised to see what happened this morning in Kyiv. Surovikin is absolutely ruthless, with little regard for human life,” a former defence ministry official, who has worked with Surovikin, told the Guardian. “I am afraid his hands will be completely covered in Ukrainian blood. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9542 "2022-10-11T13:30:29Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > The idea that an embassy is territory of the country whose embassy it is is a common but mistaken notion. Well, I’ll be dogged. I would have sworn I was right about that, and in fact I even Googled it before I posted. The first link I found (which was obviously wrong) gave me the confirmation bias I wanted, so away I went. A deeper search after your post showed the truth. My ignorance has been fought. Thanks very much! ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9543 "2022-10-11T15:01:15Z")
> . while at the topic of short of munitions: > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9544 "2022-10-11T15:04:18Z")
. while being aware that this is a propaganda account for Ukr. they def. do a lot of things right over there…, contrasting the russian “_lets just funnel cars over that bridge and see what happens_” attitude. . > * * * compact synthesis of what’s going on (not independently vetted) > > > ФЕЙГИН LIVE @FeyginMark4 ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9545 "2022-10-11T16:14:51Z")
this is the 3rd “crash” of a RU plane within a week … > . … are they scraping the bottom of the barrel in term of “aviation talent” or is it just coincidence? * * * huge belly-laugh, right there!!! . > ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9546 "2022-10-11T16:31:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > He may be the most capable and dangerous commander the Ukrainians will fight. Bah. They said almost literally the same thing they said about his predecessor [Alexsandr Dvornikov](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1092882592/russia-ukraine-war-update-butcher-of-syria-putin-dvornikov). Gee, ‘General Armageddon’ vs ‘The Butcher of Syria’ - who will emerge as the most ruthless and vicious? It likely won’t make much practical difference. Dvornikov fell out of favor because he failed to make an impact and they’ve moved on to the next scary, ruthless general on the list. If Surovikin was so much more skilled and terrifying he would have had the post already - it’s not like this is an action rpg where Russia is slowly bringing out a bigger and badder boss with each level up. Considering Russian resource restraints they are probably somewhat interchangeable. If Surovikin starts going full on massacre-happy it will be because Putin demands it, not because he is a bigger ogre than Dvornikov. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9547 "2022-10-11T17:24:53Z")
One of the three people killed in the Kerch Bridge attack was a top Russian judge and ally of Putin. > **[Russian Judge Linked to Top Putin Ally Allegedly Killed in Bridge Bomb](https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-russian-judge-sergey-maslov-killed-in-crimea-bridge-explosion-report?source=articles&via=rss)** > > One of the last cases he worked on reportedly involved none other than Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov's daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9548 "2022-10-11T18:09:13Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Putin still has a quarter million soldiers and tens of thousands of tanks and artillery. He will happily fight until they are all dead and the vehicles are destroyed. That could take another year or two of fighting, at an enormous cost to Ukrainian civilians, and depletion of ammunition for their army. > Russia may not win the war, but Ukraine could still lose. Most of us have figured out by now that Russian lists of equipment on paper does not equate to Russian war-fighting ability. You, however, have not yet gotten that message. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9549 "2022-10-11T18:59:49Z")
Belarus is [backing away from getting involved](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/belarus-claims-it-does-not-want-to-join-russia-s-offensive-on-ukraine-and-says-everything-is-under-control/ar-AA12PpLz?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ca8193d0a60e490db0dd28813372a494). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9550 "2022-10-11T19:50:18Z")
I take it Lukashenko has relocated to a windowless ground level office. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9551 "2022-10-11T20:00:24Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Belarus is [backing away from getting involved](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/belarus-claims-it-does-not-want-to-join-russia-s-offensive-on-ukraine-and-says-everything-is-under-control/ar-AA12PpLz?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ca8193d0a60e490db0dd28813372a494) That may be the case for Lukashenko and Belarus, but other reports have Russians arriving in Belarus “[by the trainload](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-pour-into-belarus-by-the-trainload/ar-AA12OtwC?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=26c8254cadd34d8f948075b275a08385).” Western intelligence sources are no doubt watching deployments there carefully, and Ukraine has taken developments seriously and responded by [building fortifications](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-reinforces-border-with-belarus-with-fortifications/ar-AA12O3DO?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=45bcc9393aef40349e330c777a21ffa4) along its northern border. If the Russians do decide to open another front, it would likely be a foolish move on their part. They can’t even supply their _current_ position much less taking on a whole new front. Opening a new front would only amplify the strategic difficulties imposed by Russia having exterior lines and Ukraine having more compact interior lines. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9552 "2022-10-11T20:03:55Z")
One possibility might be that Russia is using Belarussian resources to provide some training to the mobilized recruits. Russia’s ability to train new troops is beyond stretched, and while they’re obviously not averse to throwing untrained uniformed civilians with assault rifles into the fray I’m sure they’re aware that they’d be much more effective with a few weeks/months of training. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9553 "2022-10-11T20:46:10Z")
Lukashenko is in a precarious position. One wrong move and Russia will step in. He’s barely holding onto power. Ukraine spent years trading with Russia and trying to placate them. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9554 "2022-10-11T21:36:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Lukashenko is in a precarious position. One wrong move and Russia will step in. It’s the Russians that have kept him in power this year. He was nearly a goner until Russian troops started pouring into the country for the northern offensive in February. A side effect of the Russian build up in Belarus was that Lukashenko’s rivals couldn’t make a move to unseat him. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9555 "2022-10-11T22:24:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Lukashenko is in a precarious position. One wrong move and Russia will step in. He’s barely holding onto power. > > Ukraine spent years trading with Russia and trying to placate them. while I agree that L. is in a precarious position, I recon that the RU are in no condition to enter another country in hostility. I have no doubt the Belorus-army is another (smaller) paper-tiger … but the population might not be one. I think L. risks are more domestic than international (any case of abuse or murder might trigger a movement like we are seeing in Iran right now). He is def. walking the tightrope while his coattails are on fire… * * * ohhh … and… . russia seems to prepare to fight WW1 > ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9556 "2022-10-11T22:28:24Z")
You must be spending your time on Reddit NonCredibleDefense… ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9557 "2022-10-11T22:29:19Z")
NATO has more ships in the Baltic. > **[NATO to hold nuclear exercise despite Russian warnings](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nato-hold-nuclear-exercise-russian-warnings-91334461)** > > NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg says the military alliance will push ahead with long-planned nuclear exercises next week > **[NATO Doubles Naval Presence in Baltic, North Seas After Pipeline Sabotage](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/11/baltic-nato-russia-navy-nord-stream-sabotage/)** > > Russia’s suspected sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines has brought a flood of Western naval assets into the region. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9558 "2022-10-11T22:36:29Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > russia seems to prepare to fight WW1 Any idea where this video geolocates? And I don’t know the source (can’t tell the players without a collectible program). ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9559 "2022-10-11T22:55:20Z")
Belarus, while under threat from Polonia (/s), is sending war assets to putin > ---
**Author:** ![txtumbleweed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@txtumbleweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txtumbleweed)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9560 "2022-10-11T22:57:43Z")
It looks like they are trying to construct tank barricades. The berm looks okay, but the the triangle objects have to be dragon’s teeth and whoever is managing the emplacement doesn’t seem to know how to use them. The spacing is too far apart to be effective. They need to be irregularly placed and securely anchored so that a tank can’t just push them aside. > **[Dragon’s Teeth - Stopping Tanks in Their Tracks - Tank Historia](https://tankhistoria.com/cold-war/dragons-teeth/)** > > Since the creation of the tank, people have come up with ways to stop them. One of the most simple yet effective methods is with dragon's teeth. Missile, [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=473) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=475)