# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 480
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9661 "2022-10-14T02:12:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Elon Musk to Ukraine/US: “Nice war you got here. Would be a shame if something happened to it.” “Nice little satellite service you got there. Shame if all your launch services were nationalized.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9662 "2022-10-14T02:30:37Z")
This is ridiculous. Other defense contractors are being paid for their hardware. Why should SpaceX have to foot the bill? Do you expect Boeing to provide free jets? SpaceX has been one of the biggest force multipliers for Ukraine. Not only did they provide launch services to NASA, taking away Putin’s ability to use Roscosmos as blackmail against the U.S., they also offered to boost the ISS when Putin tried to use that to keep America from providing weapons to Ukraine. And Starlink, which wouldn’t exist without Musk, has made a massive difference for Ukraine’s war effort. And SpaceX’s rockets are saving American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Maybe billions. Elon Musk is responsible for all of it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9663 "2022-10-14T02:32:41Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > “Nice little satellite service you got there. Shame if all your launch services were nationalized.” You might want to take your shoes off when you walk inside. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9664 "2022-10-14T02:40:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Not only did they provide launch services to NASA, taking away Putin’s ability to use Roscosmos as blackmail against the U.S. On multiple axes, too. The US military used to be dependent on imported Russian engines (the RD-180, used on the Atlas V). Not so much now that the Falcon 9 is a reliable workhorse, with all of the major components made in the US. And then, with the retirement of the Shuttle, the US had been dependent on Russia for passenger flights to the ISS, with them cranking up the per-seat costs every year. Crew Dragon is now making regular flights. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9665 "2022-10-14T02:45:26Z")
Yes, exactly. Also, SpaceX donated a large number of Starlink terminals. There is disinformation flying around that SpaceX got paid handsomely for them, but they didn’t. SpaceX donated a huge number, then Ukraine bought more. Elon Musk has probably done more for Ukraine’s war than any other non-Ukrainian individual outside of government. And he’s now getting attacked constantly by pro-Ukrainian people. It’s bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9666 "2022-10-14T02:48:26Z")
**Modnote** : please take further Musk discussion to a new thread or at least drop it here in the Breaking News thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9667 "2022-10-14T02:55:04Z")
Many systems begin well on the battlefield. After some time the opponent finds ways to mitigate or lessen them. Jamming and spoofing communications is a seasoned art. No surprise it happened with Starlink. Though it may have also had funding/help from military sources in development, this is the first real war experience. Failure was always a possibility. I am sure the Russian communications systems have also been subject to counter measures. Sorry. I posted while the moderator warning was posted. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9668 "2022-10-14T11:36:41Z")
I know it’s old news, but I’m curious why some countries abstained on that vote. Fear of Russia? ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9669 "2022-10-14T11:36:56Z")
HIGHLY INTERESTING > . damage seems way more severe than initially thought … assuming that they are not talking about painting the hand-rails ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9670 "2022-10-14T13:38:05Z")
Russia.forces fighting in center of town. It’s frustrating that Ukraine is having success liberating towns elsewhere. But couldn’t stop this prolonged attack. Ukraine forces couldn’t make the Russians retreat. It must be a tactical decision that Kherson is more important. It’s sickening to think about the torture and killing that awaits people in Bakhmut… Cite [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-backed-forces-make-advances-towards-eastern-ukrainian-town-says-uk/ar-AA12VCzJb) > [@](#): > > (Reuters) - Russian-backed forces have made tactical advances in the last three days towards the centre of Bakhmut, a strategically important town in the eastern Donetsk region, and likely advanced into villages south of the town, Britain said on Friday. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9671 "2022-10-14T13:40:56Z")
> **hidden as off-topic and ignoring modnote** > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > This is ridiculous. Other defense contractors are being paid for their hardware. Why should SpaceX have to foot the bill? Do you expect Boeing to provide free jets? > > Jesus Christ, Sam, the Ukrainian fighters _pay for Starlink out of their own pockets_. > > [https://twitter.com/MelaniePodolyak/status/1580875153726062593?t=Pz5HHlLW8CGwQNWwLr\_Pog&s=19](https://twitter.com/MelaniePodolyak/status/1580875153726062593?t=Pz5HHlLW8CGwQNWwLr_Pog&s=19) > > [https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456?t=S7g3L3iI\_N0p4PxK01zU4A&s=19](https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456?t=S7g3L3iI_N0p4PxK01zU4A&s=19) > > I saw the mod note after posting and decided that these tweets are still relevant given they discuss the uses and economics of Starlink on the ground in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9672 "2022-10-14T13:50:13Z")
**Stronger Modnote** , you want to argue over Starlink/Musk, just start a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9673 "2022-10-14T13:51:08Z")
Closed on October 14, 2022, 1:51pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9674 "2022-10-14T14:02:12Z")
Opened on October 14, 2022, 2:02pm UTC This topic was automatically opened after 10 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9675 "2022-10-14T14:03:15Z")
Looks like Putin has run out of missiles: > ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9676 "2022-10-14T14:11:47Z")
Drone dogfight, and a good example of the vision the driver has in a Russian APC. > **[More FUBAR Russian stuff; Snoopy shoots down the Red Baron over Donetsk](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/13/2128728/-More-FUBAR-Russian-stuff-Snoopy-shoots-down-the-Red-Baron-over-Donetsk)** > > Don’t you just hate it when you put on your nice dress uniform for a parade demonstration and some drunk asshole in an armored vehicle runs over you? ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9677 "2022-10-14T14:55:40Z")
Is there a quick way to have twitter translate to English? Chrome often has that option, but it doesn’t work with twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9678 "2022-10-14T15:06:09Z")
One can use Google Translate with alternative Twitter front-end Nitter. It has various domain endings, including .it, .net and .eu. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9679 "2022-10-14T15:15:25Z")
Thank you, I’ll give that a try. It will be nice to read a entire twitter thread rather than piecing together a few posts here or there. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9680 "2022-10-14T15:48:14Z")
Father and son divided by war. Father is on a Russian base in Donetsk. The son fights for Ukraine. They exchange texts. There has to be other similar stories. Russian and Ukraine people lived and worked together for several generations. > **[‘He joined the enemy’: a Ukraine soldier on fighting his father on Russian side](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/14/ukraine-soldier-confronts-father-fighting-russia-putin)** > > Artur is in touch by text with father Oleg, a colonel in pro-Moscow forces, and is trying hard not to let hate consume him [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=479) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=481)