# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 486
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9792 "2022-10-18T01:38:47Z")
One can monitor the majority of the frequency spectrum (all the way up to satellite/microwave coms with a cheap SDR. Finding the spectrum the operator/drone is using is an easy task. Once you know transmit/receive, setting a jamming freq should be easy enough. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9793 "2022-10-18T01:44:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Iran even agreed to provide surface to air missiles. I hope they’re not more powerful than the HIMARS the US sends. I think you mean “surface to surface.” Anyhow, if this (the 100th) reason to give Ukraine ATACMS still doesn’t pan out, then nothing will. Frankly, we ought to give Ukraine some JASSM-ER and TLAM-D… ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9794 "2022-10-18T02:06:20Z")
I’m skeptical that the Iranians have smart autonomous drones. The technology is not mature yet. I doubt Iran is a leader in this space. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9795 "2022-10-18T02:37:29Z")
I was going to add to above, but not tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9796 "2022-10-18T02:45:39Z")
> Iran has denied supplying Russia with weapons for use in Ukraine, saying it “has not and will not” do so. Sure. They just sold them to XX country, who sold them to YY country, who sold them to Russia. No problem. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9797 "2022-10-18T03:14:06Z")
I have 2 drones I built with off the shelf parts that will follow programmed routes with great precision. A military contractor should have little problem sourcing the parts. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9798 "2022-10-18T03:22:13Z")
As @Kedikat notes, the drones aren’t really smart, but they are autonomous-ish. They can fly a route to certain coordinates and hit a predefined location. They don’t even really seem to offer any remote control aspect. It’s basically a really slow, really small cruise missile. Frankly, I’m surprised that Russia had to go to a third party for them. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9799 "2022-10-18T03:45:45Z")
I’ve heard that a division or subsidiary of Kalashnikov may be producing them. Not sure if it is a copy of the Iranian ones, or just same due to purpose. > **[Kalashnikov unveils KUB-BLA Kamikaze Drone - The Aviation Geek Club](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/kalashnikov-unveils-kub-bla-kamikaze-drone/)** > > KUB-BLA is designed for defeating remote ground targets. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9800 "2022-10-18T04:40:16Z")
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**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9801 "2022-10-18T04:49:15Z")
I really like this one (another Perun video) - deep dive into the air space situation over Ukraine. Very even-handed, discussing the successes and challenges facing both sides: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xCEzEVwOwS4/maxresdefault.jpg ""Deadly Skies" Air Defence In Ukraine - Drones, SAMs, and Attrition") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCEzEVwOwS4) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9802 "2022-10-18T05:35:44Z")
> These two images were taken almost 80 years apart - the first in London (1944), the other in Kyiv (2022). Both were ‘vengeance’ weapons aimed at terrorising civilians. Again… can we just skip forward to the part where Putin shoots himself in his bunker? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9803 "2022-10-18T05:39:59Z")
The main problem for Ukraine thus far is its vast land area. Its cities are spread all over the nation, too. It’s going to need lots of independent air-defense SAM networks to cover all the important parts. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9804 "2022-10-18T05:47:43Z")
That might depend in part on where and how many places the Russians are launching from. If they are launching strikes from all vectors, sure. But if strikes are emanating only from discrete sites (eg: airfields) in a handful of locations that might reduce the area needed to be cover by the air defense network to a relatively few corridors en route to key targets. But I have no idea how the Russians have deployed these drone/cruise missile forces. Point defense of cities might also be an option. Depends on what the Russians are actually targeting. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9805 "2022-10-18T05:54:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Again… can we just skip forward to the part where Putin shoots himself in his bunker? The “himself” part is optional, and so is the bunker. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9806 "2022-10-18T09:34:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The “himself” part is optional, and so is the bunker. yep … cut the man some slack… ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9807 "2022-10-18T13:54:07Z")
That was informative. My favorite comment was “At this point every babushka has a stinger in the basement.” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9808 "2022-10-18T14:43:18Z")
Some good news after several very bad days of drone attacks. I’m glad to see the Mariupol defenders are still being freed. Guardian blog > [@](#): > > A prisoner exchange between Russia and [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) saw more than 100 Ukrainian women walk free on Monday, including dozens who were captured during the Azovstal steelworks siege in Mariupol in May. > > A total of 218 detainees, including 108 Ukrainian women and 110 Russians, were involved in the exchange, Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in his latest national [address](https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/sho-menshe-teroristichnih-mozhlivostej-bude-v-rosiyi-shvidsh-78537). > > “The next stage of the release of our people from Russian captivity took place,” he said. “We managed to return 108 Ukrainian women: officers, sergeants, privates, army, navy, territorial defence, national guards, border guards.” > > Zelenskiy’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, said it was the “first all-female exchange” in a [statement](https://t.me/ermaka2022/1475) issued to his Telegram account shortly before 7pm on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9809 "2022-10-18T14:55:36Z")
They’re dual-duty, just like the US B-52s and B-1s are. So I would imagine it would depend on how they’re deployed. If they’re standing alert as part of the Russian strategic nuclear forces (Long Range Aviation) and they’re getting hit, then yeah that’s an escalation or at least an awfully bold move. But if they’re just deployed at nearby airbases and being used as heavy strike aircraft or as conventionally armed strategic bombers vs. Ukraine, then they’re fair game, and I think the Russians would consider them as such. The Russians aren’t going to use bombers that they need for their strategic nuclear mission in Ukraine, so that’s the defining thing IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9810 "2022-10-18T15:06:03Z")
Thanks for that. I guess I should brush up on drone tech before commenting. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9811 "2022-10-18T15:26:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Again… can we just skip forward to the part where Putin shoots himself in his bunker? I favor capture and relocation. We should be able to convince the 'Strayans that he would make a suitable immigrant, to be given a nice estate on Heard Island, where the climate would be familiar to him and the long years of sadness would be plentiful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=485) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=487)