# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 488
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9832 "2022-10-18T22:22:09Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The Russians are evacuating non-military from Kherson. ([CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-18-22/index.html)) Do the people being evacuated want to go? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9833 "2022-10-18T22:24:31Z")
I’m curious if Ukraine has cyber-warfare capabilities that could damage Russian infrastructue such as power generation or or water purification and distribution. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9834 "2022-10-18T22:35:18Z")
In the past, they’ve shut down the subway, sent all the taxis to Red Square, hacked into the Army personnel database, hacked the airline tickering. I’ll have a look at others. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9835 "2022-10-18T22:50:20Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Do the people being evacuated want to go? They’re being evacuated in anticipation that the city may soon become a battleground, so not a place most civilians will want to be, although, judging by other areas of fighting, there may be some that refuse to leave their homes and live in cellars and so on. If they leave, they will surely only be allowed to go south to Russian-held territory. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9836 "2022-10-18T22:59:26Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > They’re being evacuated in anticipation that the city may soon become a battleground It already was, wasn’t it? > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > If they leave, they will surely only be allowed to go south to Russian-held territory. Which may amount to being kidnapped, for those who want to stay part of Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9837 "2022-10-18T23:00:53Z")
Not sure if it was mentioned that Chechen pocket dictator Ramzan Kadyrov said a couple of weeks ago that he’d be sending his sons - aged 14, 15 and 16 - to fight in Ukraine. They’re now in Mariupol, dressed as soldiers, although obviously with the kind of higher quality gear that one would be more likely found on a Ukrainian soldier than a Russian soldier. > **[Putin Crony’s Teen Sons Turn Up Armed in Ukraine—for Photo-Ops Far From...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/chechen-leader-ramzan-kadyrovs-teenage-sons-turn-up-armed-in-ukraine-for-photo-ops-far-from-frontline?via=twitter_page)** > > Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said his sons would soon “breathe in gunpowder” on the battlefield, but so far they just seem to be standing around looking awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9838 "2022-10-18T23:05:31Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It already was, wasn’t it? The province (_oblast_) of Kherson is a battleground, but it hasn’t reached the city of Kherson yet. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Which may amount to being kidnapped, for those who want to stay part of Ukraine. Tough decision to make - potential to be liberated, but also potential to be killed in battle. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9839 "2022-10-18T23:25:20Z")
> There may be no Battle of the City of Kherson at all if Russian forces pull out altogether. In which case, the evacuation of civilians would be more plunder. It’s not clear how feasible a military retreat from north of the river would be, certainly for vehicles and heavy equipment. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9840 "2022-10-18T23:25:21Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The province (_oblast_) of Kherson is a battleground, but it hasn’t reached the city of Kherson yet. Sorry – I meant that it was while Russia was taking it; and also to some extent that civilians appear to have been in danger from the occupiers in the meantime. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Tough decision to make - potential to be liberated, but also potential to be killed in battle. True. I wish we could be sure that people were getting to make the choice, and that nobody who wants to stay is being forcibly “evacuated”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9841 "2022-10-18T23:28:28Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s time for Ukraine to go after Russia’s electrical grid with special ops troops. Disagree. It’s time for Ukraine to go after even more of Russia’s military assets. Airports, fuel and ammo depots, supply lines, railways, bridges, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9842 "2022-10-19T00:43:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Disagree. It’s time for Ukraine to go after even more of Russia’s military assets. I dunno. I do think it’s time that Russian citizens started feeling some of the pain that Ukrainian citizens are feeling. “Think it’s cold in Kyiv when the power’s out, how about this, Moscow?” The Russian citizenry is complicit in this war and it’s time they felt some of the effects of it. I know that sounds harsh, but if one side if going to commit to “total war” and attack civilian targets, it’s ‘bringing a knife to a gun fight’ for the other side to refrain from the same. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9843 "2022-10-19T01:27:09Z")
Is this an M30A1 rocket with Alternative Warhead (AW), with the 182,000 pre-formed tungsten fragments for area effects? > ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9844 "2022-10-19T01:51:48Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Is this an M30A1 rocket with Alternative Warhead (AW), with the 182,000 pre-formed tungsten fragments for area effects? That is terrifying. Say what you want about the US, we’re good at blowing shit up. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9845 "2022-10-19T01:53:13Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > I do think it’s time that Russian citizens started feeling some of the pain that Ukrainian citizens are feeling. Eh, Ukraine doesn’t have the ability to project this much force, nor does it really want to. And even if it did, the lights going off in Moscow might have an enervating effect on the Russian population elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9846 "2022-10-19T02:10:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > the lights going off in Moscow might have an enervating effect on the Russian population elsewhere. I think that history says that a loser in a war whose people never felt any consequences from the excursion are more likely to go adventuring again, a second time. Likewise, history says that punishing people _after_ they lost the war will turn them bitter against those who are punishing them and they’ll go out again, a second time. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9847 "2022-10-19T02:41:08Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Sorry – I meant that it was while Russia was taking it; and also to some extent that civilians appear to have been in danger from the occupiers in the meantime. The Russians took the city of Kherson in early March after only a few days of battle. The numbers of troops involved on both sides were relatively small and the city was not devastated by any massive Russian artillery bombardments as we later saw happen to Mariupol and other Ukrainian cities. The city was taken pretty much intact. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9848 "2022-10-19T03:33:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And even if it did, the lights going off in Moscow might have an enervating effect on the Russian population elsewhere. Did you mean energizing? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9849 "2022-10-19T03:34:03Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > the city was not devastated by any massive Russian artillery bombardments as we later saw happen to Mariupol and other Ukrainian cities. The city was taken pretty much intact Thanks for info; if I knew that in March, I’d forgotten it. Hope it stays that way after the upcoming round. I’m sure Ukraine would rather re-take it with as little damage as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9850 "2022-10-19T03:44:06Z")
I would guess that it’s small bomblets, since the tiny tungsten fragments have no explosive and shouldn’t kick up the many boom-blasts in the video. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9851 "2022-10-19T03:45:08Z")
What power plant capabilities can NATO militaries offer? I lived in base housing for many years and remember the base had its own power plant. Obviously providing power is a priority whenever the US military or NATO deploys. A lot of large bases were built in Iraq and Afghanistan. How much help can be offered to restore essential power plants to Ukraine? Guardian feed > [@](#): > > **Russian airstrikes have destroyed 30% of Ukraine’s power stations since 10 October,** causing massive blackouts across the country, said Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=487) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=489)