# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 495
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9972 "2022-10-23T04:01:59Z")
The Institute for Study of War is [reporting](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-22) that the Russian forces are withdrawing more forces from Kherson. > [@](#): > > **Russian forces continued to withdraw from western Kherson Oblast while preparing to conduct delaying actions that will likely be only partially effective.** The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces have completely abandoned their positions in Charivne and Chkalove (both approximately 33km northwest of Nova Kakhovka), and Russian officers and medics have reportedly evacuated from Beryslav.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff added that Russian forces are also removing patients from the Kakhovka Hospital on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River, likely to free up hospital beds for Russian military casualties that may result from the withdrawal across the river.[2] The Ukrainian General Staff noted that some Russian elements are preparing Kherson City for urban combat, while other servicemembers continue to flee the city via the ferry operating in the vicinity of the Antonivsky Bridge.[3] The UK Ministry of Defense reported on October 22 that Russian forces completed construction of a barge bridge alongside the damaged bridge and forecasted that the barge bridge would become a critical crossing point for Russian forces as Ukrainian forces advance toward Kherson City.[4] A large part of the Kherson City population has also reportedly left the city. It may happen sooner than later, meaning within a few weeks or a month rather than next spring, which many people thought. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9973 "2022-10-23T07:50:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9974 "2022-10-23T14:01:06Z")
Here are some maps with greater granularity. Ethnic Ukrainians in Ukraine by raions (2001 census) [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Ethnicukrainian2001.PNG) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Ethnicukrainian2001.PNG) Largest ethnicity in Ukraine’s cities and raions, according to 2001 census: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/UaFirstNationality2001-English.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/UaFirstNationality2001-English.png) Native Russian-speakers according to 2001 census: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Russianlang2001ua.PNG) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Russianlang2001ua.PNG) > **[Demographics of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine)** > > The demographics of Ukraine relate to population growth, population density, ethnicity, education-level, health, economic status, religious affiliations, and other aspects of the population of Ukraine. > The data in this article are based on the 2001 Ukrainian census (the most recent census), the CIA World Factbook, and State Statistics Committee of Ukraine figures. The next census, originally scheduled to take place in 2020, > was re-scheduled in 2020 to take place in 2023.\[failed verification\] > ... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9975 "2022-10-23T14:19:23Z")
Fascist on Russian state TV jokes about Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian grannies, calls for drowning Ukrainian children, and advocates burning Ukrainians in their houses. > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9976 "2022-10-23T14:30:54Z")
Russian plane doing Russian plane things. > > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9977 "2022-10-23T14:41:21Z")
Another Russian plane doing Russian plane things. > One moment you’re flying in your plane, then ten seconds later you’re sitting in a field in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9978 "2022-10-23T15:54:10Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Russian plane doing Russian plane things. From that first tweet, the plane that crashed took off from the factory. I thought Russia was no longer producing such advanced weapons. Is it possible that there’s a translation issue with that tweet? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9979 "2022-10-23T15:58:37Z")
Maybe it was in for its factory warranty work. You know, rotate the air in the tires, change the blinker fluid, the stuff you have to check every 5 missions or 300 miles. But the mechanic left a wrench in the nose and when the pilot switched on the radar, it blew every circuit and the plane became a ballistic object. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9980 "2022-10-23T16:14:50Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > The UK Ministry of Defense reported on October 22 that Russian forces completed construction of a barge bridge alongside the damaged bridge and forecasted that the barge bridge would become a critical crossing point for Russian forces as Ukrainian forces advance toward Kherson City whats your - collective - take on that? Ukr not shelling it (for the time being) b/c it is a nice bottleneck that will result in RU troop and weaponry concentration … and they will take it out when the time is “right”? or any other hypothesis? > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > From that first tweet, the plane that crashed took off from the factory. I thought Russia was no longer producing such advanced weapons. one could argue the case that they are NOT producing working aircrafts … ;o) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9981 "2022-10-23T16:20:27Z")
Dang. It went in like a lawn dart. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9982 "2022-10-23T16:21:21Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > whats your - collective - take on that? > > Ukr not shelling it (for the time being) b/c it is a nice bottleneck that will result in RU troop and weaponry concentration … and they will take it out when the time is “right”? > > or any other hypothesis? I think it’s already been targeted. > [@](#): > > Ukrainian forces struck at a key crossing on the Dnipro River late Thursday night local time and may have tried to hit it again on Friday. Video evidence of the scene appears to show that Ukraine targeted, at least in part, the makeshift pontoon bridge Russia had just completed and is seen as essential for both resupply and potential retreat of Russian forces in Kherson. The pontoon bridge, made of a series of barges, sits right beside the Antonovsky bridge that has been unusable for months due to repeated precision rocket attacks. [https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-russia-s-kherson-pontoon-bridge-attacked/ar-AA13f9YE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=9bd24688daa5453f8522fffa6911b247](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-russia-s-kherson-pontoon-bridge-attacked/ar-AA13f9YE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=9bd24688daa5453f8522fffa6911b247) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9983 "2022-10-23T16:33:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Maybe it was in for its factory warranty work. You know, rotate the air in the tires, change the blinker fluid, the stuff you have to check every 5 missions or 300 miles. But the mechanic left a wrench in the nose and when the pilot switched on the radar, it blew every circuit and the plane became a ballistic object. More seriously, aircraft have maintenance schedules. I’ve heard it said that the first 10 hours after an engine overhaul are the most dangerous, since there’s a minuscule chance the mechanic did something incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9984 "2022-10-23T16:39:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > since there’s a minuscule chance the mechanic did something incorrectly. Or in Russia, a larger chance that the manager of the facility sold some of the engine parts to a friend and replaced them with marbles. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9985 "2022-10-23T16:41:09Z")
I’m not sure if this video of a Russian jet crashing after takeoff last month was previously posted: > (Video quality is better at source) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9986 "2022-10-23T17:07:50Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Heck, the Ukrainians should add returning the ring to their demands. Just so Putin can feel like he “won” when they relent on that demand. I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that and the ring is returned with a finger attached. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9987 "2022-10-23T17:23:44Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Fascist on Russian state TV jokes about Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian grannies, calls for drowning Ukrainian children, and advocates burning Ukrainians in their houses. Draft him send send him to Ukraine so he can experience war first hand. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > One moment you’re flying in your plane, then ten seconds later you’re sitting in a field in Ukraine. and blessing what ever gods who owed you a favor. I’m wondering what the field is planted with. It looks a little like alfalfa but the leaves are all wrong. Another variety, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9988 "2022-10-23T18:58:30Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I thought Russia was no longer producing such advanced weapons. Due to the embargo you mean? In this particular case we probably are talking about maintenance as per above comments. However it is possible this was a [Su-30SM2](https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ruaf-first-su30sm2-su35-engine) that had already been in production pre-embargo. Production time is slowww for those advanced jets in Russia. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9989 "2022-10-23T19:37:38Z")
Looks like the flight test phase is surprisingly short, tho. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9990 "2022-10-23T21:44:11Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1584142606971203584](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1584142606971203584) Irkutsk? _Ir-fucking-kutsk_? That is on Lake Baikal, near Mongolia, some three thousand miles away from Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9991 "2022-10-23T22:05:50Z")
Anybody who has ever played Risk knows where Irkutsk is. Nice to see that the Russian Air Farce is just as competent other places as they are falling out of the sky over Ukraine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=494) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=496)