# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 496
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9992 "2022-10-24T06:54:57Z")
Israeli missles [have wiped out a factory in Syria](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-destroys-iranian-drone-manufacturing-plant-in-syria/ar-AA13hTuv) that assembled drones from parts made in Iran. These may or may not have been destined for use in Ukraine. No human casualties were reported. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9993 "2022-10-24T11:49:55Z")
That’s an interesting development. Not striking Russian territory, but instead, striking other countries that enable Russia’s efforts. Of course, then to balance against any nuclear negotiations with Iran… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9994 "2022-10-24T11:54:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > That’s an interesting development. Not striking Russian territory, but instead, striking other countries that enable Russia’s efforts. The fly in the ointment there is that Russia might start urging its allies to attack nations contributing to Ukraine’s war effort, saying “they did it first”. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9995 "2022-10-24T12:03:51Z")
Yeah - good point. A sticky situation all around. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9996 "2022-10-24T12:40:20Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Not striking Russian territory, but instead, striking other countries that enable Russia’s efforts. Israel’s animosity towards both Iran and Syria is well-established. All they have to say is “those drones were/could have been used against us. We took proactive steps to make sure they couldn’t. What Ukraine?” The simple fact is that Russia can say whatever nonsense they want and their ~~captives~~ allies will claim to believe them, no matter how counter-factual. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9997 "2022-10-24T13:14:48Z")
The Finnish ambassador has penned a stirring op-ed calling on the US to stay the course. > **[Abandoning Ukraine would be giving up on principles the West holds dear](https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/abandoning-ukraine-would-be-giving-up-on-principles-the-west-holds-dear/)** > > Americans have a great sense for right and wrong, and this brutal war is so wrong in so many ways. Like-minded nations must continue joining forces. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9998 "2022-10-24T14:39:47Z")
Does Ukraine have the forces to enter a city and fight from street to street? It’s my understanding Ukraine has very good light infantry and little heavy Armored divisions Russia lost a lot of men fighting in Mariupol. > [@](#): > > Here’s more from that [interview](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/24/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-25000-have-fled-kherson-moscow-says-west-denounces-kremlin-dirty-bomb-claim?page=with:block-63566caa8f0885fc0bbd3b6a#block-63566caa8f0885fc0bbd3b6a) with **Kyrylo Budanov,** the head of Ukraine’s defence intelligence directorate, who said Russia was bringing new military units into Kherson as it prepares to defend the city in the face of the advancing Ukrainian counteroffensive. > > Orders from the occupied city’s Russian administration for residents to evacuate are part of an “information operation and manipulation” by Moscow, Budanov told Ukrainska Pravda. > > He said: > > > They are taking out cash, [internet] servers, the so-called occupation authorities … All the non-walking, seriously injured are being taken out, they are trying to discharge those who can walk as soon as possible from hospitals. They conduct this crazy information campaign that ‘we care about people’ and so on. They create the illusion that everything is gone. > > > > At the same time, on the contrary, they bring new military units there and prepare the streets of the city for defence. > > Budanov said Moscow was acting out of fear that Ukrainian troops might retake the Kakhovka dam, upstream from Kherson, and encircle its troops in the city. He added: > > > They understand that if we take at least control over the Kakhovka dam, which is the only transport artery that is fully functioning now, they will have to make a decision very quickly. Either very, very quickly leave the city and get out, or they risk ending up in the same situation that our units in Mariupol found themselves in earlier. > > He concluded by saying: > > > Understanding all this, they are preparing the groundwork so that, if necessary, they can get out of there very quickly. However, they are not preparing to exit now, they are preparing to defend. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/9999 "2022-10-24T15:50:05Z")
My guess is Rus. will try to get as much of their heavy equipment out as possible while they still have a little time holding onto the Kakhovka dam, and still have ferries in operation. They’ll probably leave a contingent - not necessarily a large force - of light infantry in Kherson to fight it out to the bitter end, and inflict as much damage as possible on the city infrastructure and the attacking Ukr troops. I also expect they will lay waste to the city with artillery from the south bank of the Dneiper all the while the street battles rage. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10000 "2022-10-24T16:11:03Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Fascist on Russian state TV jokes about Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian grannies, calls for drowning Ukrainian children, and advocates burning Ukrainians in their houses. > > [https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504) Apparently this was too much, even for Russia: > ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10001 "2022-10-24T16:32:17Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Apparently this was too much, even for Russia: Yes. Even evil has _some_ standards… ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10002 "2022-10-24T16:39:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The Finnish ambassador has penned a stirring op-ed calling on the US to stay the course. > > [https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/abandoning-ukraine-would-be-giving-up-on-principles-the-west-holds-dear/](https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/abandoning-ukraine-would-be-giving-up-on-principles-the-west-holds-dear/) Too bad Kevin McCarthy is unable to read and comprehend something that length. Maybe he could get someone to explain it to him. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Does Ukraine have the forces to enter a city and fight from street to street? It’s my understanding Ukraine has very good light infantry and little heavy Armored divisions Yes, they do, as they have already shown. From my experience, heavy armor is a hindrance in street fighting. Too much of your infantry is tied up protecting the armor. Much better to just use infantry supported by artillery as needed. I understand Russia is leaving behind only the new untrained infantry while they evacuate all heavier weapons and, of course, officers. They are going to sacrifice troops for time. Of course, if the troops flee or surrender like they have been doing, that plan totally falls apart. Thanks to @Walken_After_Midnight for the nitter advice. Works great for translation. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10003 "2022-10-24T16:40:11Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes. Even evil has _some_ standards… Or wants to make us think it has a line it won’t cross, against all the evidence they’ve given that they went over that line a long, long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10004 "2022-10-24T16:54:52Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Apparently this was too much, even for Russia: Nah, they’re just angry that he’s releasing spoilers from Season 2. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10005 "2022-10-24T17:05:51Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Too bad Kevin McCarthy is unable to read and comprehend something that length. Maybe he could get someone to explain it to him. No, I’m sure McCarthy and his kind comprehend perfectly well. It’s deliberate trollery. They know how vital US aid to Ukraine is, so they’re deliberately being penny wise and pound foolish. Like someone who deliberately tries to save money on fire extinguishers so that a company would be unable to put out a fire if needed some day, as opposed to trimming the vastly greater wasteful expenses elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10006 "2022-10-24T17:14:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > No, I’m sure McCarthy and his kind comprehend perfectly well. It’s deliberate trollery. They know how vital US aid to Ukraine is, so they’re deliberately being penny wise and pound foolish. The authoritarians of the world tend to stick together. This is also why we’re hearing a lot less about Iran as well. Though they play for different teams, they’re all playing the same game. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10007 "2022-10-24T17:14:58Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Too bad Kevin McCarthy is unable to read and comprehend something that length. Maybe he could get someone to explain it to him. **Modnote** : Keep politics out of Breaking News threads. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10008 "2022-10-24T17:18:15Z")
Some way should be found to persuade Putin that defeat in war doesn’t necessarily mean personal jeopardy for him. After all, Saddam survived the defeat of the 1991 Gulf War just fine. So Putin can withdraw now. On the contrary, should Putin persist, there is _more_ reason for him to be assassinated or overthrown, not less. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10009 "2022-10-24T17:20:45Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > **Modnote** : Keep politics out of Breaking News threads. Sorry 'bout that. It was in direct reply to the Finland article so I thought it was okay. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10010 "2022-10-24T18:01:35Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Some way should be found to persuade Putin that defeat in war doesn’t necessarily mean personal jeopardy for him. The Fletcher Memorial Home is sounding better and better. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10011 "2022-10-24T18:33:19Z")
The contemporary version of the _Star Trek_ running gag of Chekov claiming that everything was “inwented in Russia”: > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=495) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=497)