# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 497
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10012 "2022-10-24T19:22:04Z")
Let’s hope there are responsible people that will keep this war from ending tragically for humanity. There certainly will be more atrocities in Ukraine. But hopefully no dirty bombs or Nukes. > ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10013 "2022-10-24T19:25:09Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > the _Star Trek_ running gag of Chekov claiming that everything was “inwented in Russia” The truly comical aspect to that is that the “w” sound is completely absent from the Russian language – they usually use a “v” sound as a substitute in foreign words. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10014 "2022-10-24T20:13:36Z")
Some Germans I know will do this, too, I assume as some sort of hypercorrection or confusion where they throw in extra English “w” sounds thinking the “v” is incorrect. I’m not sure how it would work with Russian and Cyrillic, but it’s easy to get confused with German “w” and English “w” and then when you see English “v”, which should be pronounced like a German “w,” you somehow get confused and think English “w” for some reason. I’ve heard it enough that I think something along that lines is happening. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10015 "2022-10-24T20:44:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > There certainly will be more atrocities in Ukraine. But hopefully no dirty bombs or Nukes. No, it’s probably dirty bombs. Statement from the UK’s Ministry of Defence: > Russia is seemingly calling all the nuclear powers with this message. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10016 "2022-10-24T21:06:39Z")
Russia accusing Ukraine of planning to blow up dams or plant dirty bombs? Every accusation is a confession. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10017 "2022-10-24T22:23:52Z")
So, are the calls from Gerasimov any kind of attempt to convince western governments of anything (“evidence” of a pending Ukraine war crime) or is it just to put Russia on record as trying to peacefully negotiate the situation before doing something horrific so they can justify it to the Russian public and their allies? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10018 "2022-10-24T22:25:46Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > are the calls from Gerasimov any kind of attempt to convince western governments of anything I hate to say this, but it feels like the Russia military is saying “please don’t nuke us when we set off a dirty bomb in Ukraine”. It’s pure cover-your-ass. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10019 "2022-10-24T23:27:30Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The fly in the ointment there is that Russia might start urging its allies to attack nations contributing to Ukraine’s war effort, saying “they did it first”. I think you’ll find that the few countries with close enough relations to Russia to be considered “allies” are (mostly) less militarily capable than Russia itself. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10020 "2022-10-24T23:45:59Z")
From an article on the UN General Assembly vote condemning the annexation of the four regions: > [@](#): > > ## Member states that voted against the resolution > > B: Belarus > > D: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea) > > N: Nicaragua > > R: Russia > > S: Syria > **[UN condemns Russia’s annexation move: How did countries vote?](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/13/un-condemns-russias-annexations-in-ukraine-how-countries-voted)** > > A country breakdown of the UN General Assembly vote rejecting Russia’s annexations in Ukraine. Many others abstained, but I doubt those can be called allies. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10021 "2022-10-24T23:53:33Z")
Koenig’s parents were immigrant Russian Jews. Koenig says his accent was inspired by his father, especially the difficulty with saying ‘w’ instead of ‘v’. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10022 "2022-10-25T01:47:23Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I hate to say this, but it feels like the Russia military is saying “please don’t nuke us when we set off a dirty bomb in Ukraine”. It’s pure cover-your-ass. And the answer should have been “Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing. If a bomb, dirty or otherwise, goes off, we will know EXACTLY who to blame and who to retaliate against. But, hey, thanks for the call and my best to the wife and kids.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10023 "2022-10-25T02:33:19Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > And the answer should have been “Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing. I would send them a movie clip of that scene. If Putin drops a dirty bomb then NATO should go in and wipe out every Russian asset engaged in the war. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10024 "2022-10-25T11:37:02Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I think you’ll find that the few countries with close enough relations to Russia to be considered “allies” are (mostly) less militarily capable than Russia itself. Based on current evidence, is anyone less militarily capable than Russia? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10025 "2022-10-25T12:05:28Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > He says this into a microphone from the Chicago brand Shure, on the table he has an iPad from Apple,he has an iPhone 13 pro max, he wears an Apple Watch Ultra All created by the great Russian inventor Regus Patoff.\* \*Is very old Cold War joke about the Soviets claiming credit for American inventions bearing the the mark “Reg US Pat Off”, short for “Registered, US Patent Office” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10026 "2022-10-25T12:24:21Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Based on current evidence, is anyone less militarily capable than Russia? Pretty sure Monaco isn’t going to invade France any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10027 "2022-10-25T15:32:36Z")
The Russian gov better fix this pdq. They’re risking a military revolt. They force people to sign up and fight in Ukraine and _then_ don’t pay them on time? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/o8pkl8VkN6g/maxresdefault.jpg "Angry, masked Russian soldiers say they aren't getting paid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pkl8VkN6g) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10028 "2022-10-25T16:23:09Z")
You don’t pay cannon fodder. You also don’t pay their next of kin. > **[In Russia, the courts are swamped with cases due to payments for the death of...](https://odessa-journal.com/in-russia-the-courts-are-swamped-with-cases-due-to-payments-for-the-death-of-the-military/)** > > Relatives of the killed occupiers are fighting for so-called "grave money" in Russia - father against mother, aunt against grandfather, and sister against ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10029 "2022-10-25T16:47:58Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > You also don’t pay their next of kin. I think you misread that article - it is mostly about next-of-kin fighting over who gets the death benefit. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10030 "2022-10-25T17:30:50Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Pretty sure Monaco isn’t going to invade France any time soon. I hear Italy is a bit worried. Underestimate Monacans at your own peril! > [@Folacin](#): > > I think you misread that article - it is mostly about next-of-kin fighting over who gets the death benefit. Strangely enough, most countries figure who gets benefits _before_ you get killed. I feel there’s a Yakov Smirnoff “In Russia…” joke in there somewhere. I’m actually a bit surprised that Russia is even paying out the death benefits. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10031 "2022-10-25T18:02:54Z")
Ukrainian arms manufacturer & collaborator caught on tape. His factory got hit and he considers it collateral damage for Russia’s victory. Wow. You’d think being invaded would change minds. I’ve read a lot of Ukrainians that supported Russia have realized tbeir mistakes. Cite [Ukraine arms manufacturer charged with treason over bugged phone calls | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/25/ukraine-arms-manufacturer-charged-with-treason-over-bugged-phone-calls) > [@](#): > > In one of the alleged recordings, Boguslaev is heard telling an unnamed interlocutor after a Russian missile strike on Motor Sich’s factory in the Zaporizhzhia region in March that he sees the attack as necessary collateral damage for Russia’s victory. > > “If Putin is finished off, then the nationalists will finish us off … an Iskander-M fell on the territory of the factory. We have absolutely no negative feelings about it. We completely understand,” Boguslaev was recorded saying about the Russian attack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=496) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=498)