# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 498
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10032 "2022-10-25T18:15:43Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Pretty sure Monaco isn’t going to invade France any time soon. Is a principality considered more or less dangerous than a duchy? Because we know how that works out . . . ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10033 "2022-10-25T18:17:36Z")
What’s the point in paying them if they’re going to just push them to the front lines where they won’t last a month? Would just be a waste of good rubles. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10034 "2022-10-25T19:17:55Z")
Can you confirm that was a Duchy of Grand Fenwick reference? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10035 "2022-10-25T21:20:24Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > > [@Cervaise](#): > > > > Pretty sure Monaco isn’t going to invade France any time soon. > > Is a principality considered more or less dangerous than a duchy? Because we know how that works out . . . The principality did… pass the _duchy_ from the left hand side, I say… 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![txtumbleweed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@txtumbleweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txtumbleweed)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10036 "2022-10-25T21:21:20Z")
If like me, you were wondering whether the [ejection footage posted above](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24/960037/9977) is real and not a video game, it is a genuine ejection. The footage is from an [SU-25 training flight that went down near Belgorod on 17 June](https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/06/17/russian-su-25-military-plane-crashed-in-belgorod-region/). Guesses are that it hit a powerline at low level. In fact, at about the 00:05 mark in the original video, you can see the aircraft’s vertical stabilizer appears to have been sheared off. In depth analysis, including maps of the crash site here: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qfqpl8OG_T8/maxresdefault.jpg "First-Person View of Pilot Ejecting from Su-25") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfqpl8OG_T8) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10037 "2022-10-25T22:02:34Z")
Yeah, that’s a pretty clean slice: [![](https://i.imgur.com/tDPPJFk.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/tDPPJFk.png) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10038 "2022-10-25T22:57:53Z")
Interesting. What’s the noise that happens right before the plane destructs? I thought it might have been the sound of an incoming rocket, but I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10039 "2022-10-25T23:03:25Z")
Fire in St Petersburg: > ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10040 "2022-10-26T00:30:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > What’s the point in paying them if they’re going to just push them to the front lines where they won’t last a month? Would just be a waste of good rubles. Paid you say? [What is this “paid” thing you speak of?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pkl8VkN6g) ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10041 "2022-10-26T02:09:08Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > What’s the noise that happens right before the plane destructs? I thought it might have been the sound of an incoming rocket, but I guess not. I’m guessing altered air flow due to high angle of attack; he pulled up pretty sharply right before ejection. I was at an airshow once where an A-10 was doing a 45-degree dive followed by a hard pull to level flight. The engines were at a modest thrust setting, and you didn’t hear them change pitch during the maneuver - but you heard the rumble of the air associated with the high-G transition from dive to level flight (the sound always reached me a couple of seconds later, consistent with his distance from me). He repeated the maneuver several times, and the nature and timing of that rumbling sound were consistent. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10042 "2022-10-26T05:16:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@scabpicker](#): > > > > Heck, the Ukrainians should add returning the ring to their demands. Just so Putin can feel like he “won” when they relent on that demand. > > I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that and the ring is returned with a finger attached. Heh, even with recent reports of Russia building defensive lines within its own pre-2014 borders, I’d still prefer to give them an “out”. A ring with a finger, a ring without a finger, or just you keep the ring. A finger or a superb owl ring is surely small potatoes at this point (and you know he’d give you someone else’s finger and skip town if he could). If it makes Putin feel better, keep it, but go away to Russia’s previous borders and suck there until you die. We’ll try to help your people after you’re gone. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10043 "2022-10-26T05:59:43Z")
Nice in theory, but Putin [already has a ring](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-stole-a-super-bowl-ring-from-the-patriots-robert-kraft/). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10044 "2022-10-26T08:02:06Z")
This is the very ring under discussion. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10045 "2022-10-26T11:23:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Paid you say? [What is this “paid” thing you speak of?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pkl8VkN6g) They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work (fight). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10046 "2022-10-26T11:53:52Z")
I see it says it’s from CNN, but has it been confirmed that they’re really Russians? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10047 "2022-10-26T12:24:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Can you confirm that was a Duchy of Grand Fenwick reference? Indeed - I actually remembered it as the Grand Duchy of Fenwick and am grateful I looked it up before posting. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10048 "2022-10-26T19:41:57Z")
Our taxi drive to LaGuardia yesterday was from Russia, 27 years ago. Was quite talkative, so I asked if he minded if I asked his opinion on the current conflict. He was very eager to tell me at length how the US and Europe had the opportunity to address Ukraine in 2014, but didn’t, so they should keep quiet now. Happy to inform me that Jews had more right to Crimea than Ukrainians - citing something about the California proposal or something. And this expert assured us that the US and Europe would learn a big lesson this winter without Russian fuel. Much of the old SSRs wished to rejoin Russia, and there has never been any great love or feeling of unity between eastern and western Ukrainians. I was glad I asked, just because I like to hear the experiences and viewpoints of people with backgrounds other than mine. But when I saw the direction it was going, I quickly switched the topic. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10049 "2022-10-26T19:43:16Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Our taxi drive to LaGuardia yesterday was from Russia That’s a long drive. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10050 "2022-10-26T19:46:45Z")
Ha! Drive **R**. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10051 "2022-10-26T19:57:31Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Much of the old SSRs wished to rejoin Russia, and there has never been any great love or feeling of unity between eastern and western Ukrainians. So, they were applying and mean ol’ Putin was telling them, “Tough titties”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=497) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=499)