# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1661 "2022-03-08T22:01:15Z")
> [@Chez\_Guevara](#): > > VP allegedly painted ‘Pattern on Frosty Window’ back in 2009 for a charitable auction. It fetched £750,000 ($982,000). I’m starting to wonder… has anyone seen the two of them together? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1662 "2022-03-08T22:03:38Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Sure! His name was Pablo Picasso. 😉 But very unlike Putin, Picasso was never called an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1663 "2022-03-08T22:04:12Z")
I was just reading about the proposed swap of Polish jets to the US, US to Ukraine, with new jets from US to Poland. It’s not clear that the US is aligned with that plan yet, but it may just be that press announcements are out of sync. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1664 "2022-03-08T22:06:03Z")
I think it’s just as likely that the US is leaving things deliberately ambiguous, in order to confuse Russia, while still planning to give the jets to Ukraine as soon as Ukrainian pilots can come to Rammstein base and get them. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1665 "2022-03-08T22:23:17Z")
Adobe is no longer selling in Russia, and I think they may have blocked Russian government entities from accessing the Experience, Document, and Creative Cloud. And, of course, since Russian entities and people can no longer pay for their subscriptions, they’re likely to be cut off at the next billing cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1666 "2022-03-08T22:35:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This (unconfirmed) tidbit from “Beau of the Fifth Column” on Twitter: > > > [@](#): > > > > Afghans are tweeting roadside device instructions and examples to Ukrainians… > > > > > I don’t know how I feel about this. > > Yeah, that’s a weird one. The Afghans do have experience with driving a superpower out of their borders… if you’re going to go for someone for advice in such matters they aren’t a bad choice. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1667 "2022-03-08T22:37:46Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > But very unlike Putin, Picasso was never called an asshole. 🙂 I see someone else had that in their head. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1668 "2022-03-08T22:39:29Z")
I looked at the first few and I don’t think they were really all that good. You immediately run into the problem that one tank/APC sitting in a snow covered field looks pretty much just like another. I wouldn’t take as gospel that any of the dates on the photos are necessarily correct either. We’ve already seen a ton of fakes debunked. Are any of those links of the [56 tank convoy](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-forces-destroy-convoy-of-56-chechen-tanks-kill-general-near-kyiv-report/) that was reportedly destroyed almost two weeks ago? Because I’m still waiting to see pictures of 56 destroyed tanks in one locale. You’d think some of those Ukrainians would have gleefully posted photos and videos of that all over the internet by now. As I said, I’d like the numbers to be true, I just don’t think they are. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’m starting to wonder… has anyone seen the two of them together? I almost got a picture of them together, but Vlad stepped in front of Adolf at the last second and totally blocked my view of Adolf. A split second sooner and I would have had my proof. Now all I have is a pic of Vlad with a small pair of jackboots behind him. ☹ > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think it’s just as likely that the US is leaving things deliberately ambiguous But there’s nothing ambiguous about it. Everyone knows about it, there is no attempt to hide it at all. All it really accomplishes is to draw the US closer to being an active participant and makes it harder for Ukrainians to get the aircraft they are desperate for. If it was announced it will happen in Germany, but the Ukrainians get the aircraft directly from Poland, that would be a better idea. Pretty much the same cover story, but the aircraft get there faster. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1669 "2022-03-08T22:41:29Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > > [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > > > But very unlike Putin, Picasso was never called an asshole. > > 🙂 I see someone else had that in their head. Hehehe, I laughed much harder than I should have. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1670 "2022-03-08T22:44:49Z")
Can you believe that song is 50 years old? ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1671 "2022-03-08T22:46:33Z")
Yes, I can. Now quit making me feel old. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1672 "2022-03-08T22:48:41Z")
What song? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1673 "2022-03-08T22:50:03Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Are any of those links of the [56 tank convoy](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-forces-destroy-convoy-of-56-chechen-tanks-kill-general-near-kyiv-report/) that was reportedly destroyed almost two weeks ago? I don’t know why that’s of any relevance. I agree that a lot of the reporting is bad. This list only contains cases where photographic evidence is available. The true numbers are probably much higher. > [@mordecaiB](#): > > You immediately run into the problem that one tank/APC sitting in a snow covered field looks pretty much just like another. I dispute this. Do you really think this: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/DfYzLMQ3/v60.png) ](https://i.postimg.cc/DfYzLMQ3/v60.png) Can’t be distinguished from this?: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/2ygSrvvG/6533.png) ](https://i.postimg.cc/2ygSrvvG/6533.png) There are numerous details which make them obviously different. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1674 "2022-03-08T22:50:47Z")
Modern Lovers “Pablo Picasso.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1675 "2022-03-08T22:51:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What song? > **[Pablo Picasso (song)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso_(song))** > > "Pablo Picasso" is a song written by Jonathan Richman for the proto punk group the Modern Lovers. The song was recorded in 1972 at Whitney Studios in Los Angeles, and produced by John Cale, but was not released until 1976, on the Modern Lovers' self-titled debut album. The recording featured Richman (lead guitar, vocals), Ernie Brooks (second guitar), Jerry Harrison (bass) and David Robinson (drums), with Cale playing the repetitive hammered piano part. > The central character of the song is the c... Best version IMO is by Burning Sensations from the movie Repo Man. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1676 "2022-03-08T22:51:47Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Poland is giving Ukraine ALL its MIG-29 jets, via the US! Fantastic news! > > Is it just me that only sees that one sentence statement no matter where I look? CNN has a whole article about it: > **[March 8, 2022 Russia-Ukraine news](https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/h_474a0efa73fe2a78b6d6fc125d60544f)** > > Russia has proposed a new ceasefire starting 10 a.m. Moscow time Tuesday (or 2 a.m. ET) in five Ukrainian cities. Ukraine has yet to formally agree to the proposal. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine. However, a salient point is that Poland made the announcement without first consulting with the US, which reportedly hasn’t yet decided how to respond. Which is sort of odd because delivering Russian-made fighter jets to Ukraine was one of Blinken’s three key strategies against Russia that were recently announced. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1677 "2022-03-08T22:53:09Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > But very unlike Putin, Picasso was never called an asshole. I hope that’s sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1678 "2022-03-08T22:53:55Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > TIME Person of the Year: the Ukraine tractor farmer guy? > > [https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396](https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501288850055995396) Can the Ukrainians use those tanks for anything? (Other than scrap?) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1679 "2022-03-08T22:54:26Z")
Thanks. They didn’t play that on KCBQ (AM radio in San Diego) when I was a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1680 "2022-03-08T22:58:50Z")
That Polish plane deal is quite interesting: it can’t be one country doing it alone as that exposes them to Russian anger and possible repercussions. So it has to be done with multiple countries. But it can’t be a NATO. So it all has to be done really opaquely. Of course Russia knows what’s going on, but they don’t quite know exactly who to point the finger at except “the West”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=85)