# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1721 "2022-03-09T04:13:50Z")
Yesterday I saw images of a Ukrainian family that was killed by a Russian missile/rocket attack. One image showed a family member carrying a cat. The image of the bodies showed a cat carrier. I can’t help windering what happened to the cat. ☹
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1722 "2022-03-09T04:21:20Z")
Since this started I’ve looked at my cat peacefully sleeping next to me each night and wondered how other pets and wildlife are doing. They have no clue what’s going on.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1723 "2022-03-09T04:24:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> They have no clue what’s going on.
Exactly. I think of pets when an owner dies – not necessarily in a war, but just in general. All they know is that their human is gone, and they don’t know why. Cats, particularly, are creatures of habit. It pains me when they are cast into unfamiliarity.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1724 "2022-03-09T04:42:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> They planned on sneaking out in the middle of the night without telling our allies?
The date of withdrawl was not a mystery or a secret. It was known well in advance by all parties that US forces would be withdrawing in July 2021. There was no “sneaking out at night” and to claim that NATO had no idea what the plan was is revisionist and disingenuous.
Stop pretending that this invasion had anything to do with “Biden emboldening Russia” instead of the well-documented patterns of revanchist conquest and imperial aspiration that Putin has been displaying for a quarter century now.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1725 "2022-03-09T04:44:10Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#):
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> - A lot of Russian passenger aircraft are leased from Western Corporations and those leases are going to be cancelled–now getting the planes back might be a problem, but the Russian airlines don’t want to P.O. the leasing companies.
> - A lot of the Major Aircraft maintenance takes place in the West. For example, Aeroflot’s fleet has their major maintenance facility in Germany. While Russia can take up some of the slack, Aircraft are maintenance hogs.
> - A lot of spare parts come from the West, even on Aircraft built in Russia…and those spares are going to dry up.
So, Russia has responded by calling home all its planes, rental arrangements be damned. The airplane leasing companies are taking a bath as their assets are flying off to Russia. Aercap in Ireland, the company that has the most planes leased to Russian companies, has lost 25% of its market value.
> **[Russia absconds with leased jets worth $10 billion to elude EU sanctions](https://nationalpost.com/news/world/russia-absconds-with-jets-worth-10b-as-aircraft-owners-deal-with-loss)**
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> Foreign leasing firms have only repossessed about two dozen of the more than 500 aircraft rented to Russian carriers
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1726 "2022-03-09T05:02:40Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> So, Russia has responded by calling home all its planes,
It’s going to be chump change compared to the damage they’re economy is taking. they’re going to look like Venezuela in a few years if they don’t get their act together.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1727 "2022-03-09T05:04:13Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> Stop pretending that this invasion had anything to do with “Biden emboldening Russia” instead of the well-documented patterns of revanchist conquest and imperial aspiration that Putin has been displaying for a quarter century now.
Russia invaded Crimea before Trump and Ukraine after Trump.
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### Author:  [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1728 "2022-03-09T05:12:16Z")
This seems likely to have long-term ramifications with regards to their ability to fly international routes.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1729 "2022-03-09T05:15:37Z")
I would think so. Along with the lack of trust it engenders with respect to the leasing arrangements, and the desire of the leasing companies to repossess as soon as a plane sets down in a country outsider of Russia or Belarus, the NP article also mentions the importance of detailed record-keeping of maintenance, to ensure certificates of airworthiness. I would geuss that sort of detailed record-keeping is going to suffer.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1730 "2022-03-09T05:36:27Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> Russia invaded Crimea before Trump and Ukraine after Trump.
Why, it’s almost as if he didn’t need military force to achieve his goals when he had a stooge in the White House doing his job for him.
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1731 "2022-03-09T05:47:24Z")
Sorry to interrupt guys, but can we please keep American party politics out of this thread?
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1732 "2022-03-09T05:53:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> Stop pretending that this invasion had anything to do with “Biden emboldening Russia” instead of the well-documented patterns of revanchist conquest and imperial aspiration that Putin has been displaying for a quarter century now.
This.
I find it sad when someone is so incredibly “party before country” that they actually go so far as to be a Putin apologist. But here we are.
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1733 "2022-03-09T05:54:03Z")
They seem to be capturing a lot of Russians around Mykolayiv.
> **[Mykolayiv books 50 buses to transport captive Russian invaders](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3424276-mykolayiv-books-50-buses-to-transport-captive-russian-invaders.html)**
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> Mykolayiv prepares for tomorrow's defense, by booking 50 buses to transport captive Russian invaders. — Ukrinform.
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### Author:  [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1734 "2022-03-09T05:57:39Z")
😔 😪 😔
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1735 "2022-03-09T06:05:20Z")
Latest UK Defence Intelligence update:
[ ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNYuVGVX0AMYurX?format=jpg&name=small)
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1736 "2022-03-09T06:10:57Z")
Moderating:
This is a breaking news thread in MPSIMS. Politics is not allowed in breaking news threads.
I realize that war is an extension of politics, and it’s hard to discuss a war without any hint of politics.
But this is not a thread about Trump. It is not a thread about Biden. Squabbles about internal US politics are not appropriate for this thread, and any further such discussion will be treated harshly by the mods. If anyone really wants to continue that digression, DM me and I’ll break out the relevant posts into their own thread. But do not mention it again in this thread.
This is a thread about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Please get back on topic.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1737 "2022-03-09T07:41:14Z")
With a further expanded article, CNN appears to be reporting that US officials view the proposed transfer of fighter jets to Ukraine to be excessively risky in terms of provoking a direct conflict with Russia. It took a while for the Pentagon press secretary to get to the real point, but eventually he said this:
> The idea as laid out by Poland was too risky, Kirby said, as the US and NATO seek to avoid an outright conflict between the alliance and Russia.
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> “The prospect of fighter jets ‘at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America’ departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance,” Kirby said.
> [https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/politics/poland-jets-ukraine-russia/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/politics/poland-jets-ukraine-russia/index.html)
In my view, Putin is going to escalate this conflict anyway as long as he has a reasonable hope of prevailing, and failing to supply the planes now is going to be another example of the West doing “too little, too late”. The only hope of a resolution to this mess that doesn’t involve the end of Ukraine as a nation sooner or later is for Putin to realize that he’s facing military catastrophe. Zelensky is asking for planes. Give him planes.
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### Author:  [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1738 "2022-03-09T08:05:49Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> The airplane leasing companies are taking a bath as their assets are flying off to Russia.
What did they expect from a country whose president stole a [super bowl ring](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-stole-a-super-bowl-ring-from-the-patriots-robert-kraft/)?
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### Author:  [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1739 "2022-03-09T08:54:38Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#):
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> I don’t know why that’s of any relevance.
Of course you know. Have you never heard that the first casualty of war is the truth? It’s been like that since forever. Everybody overestimates their victories publicly and underestimates their losses publicly. It’s not just that there was never a 56 tank convoy. Then it was a 56 tank convoy full of special operation forces. Then it was an assassination attempt on the president that was stopped. Then there have been 20 attempts to kill the president. There’s a reason they are called war “stories.” Until the war ends and a neutral third party can confirm things we’ll never know any real numbers. If Russia succeeds, we will really never know what their real losses were.
Here is another example that was posted.
> **[Mykolayiv books 50 buses to transport captive Russian invaders](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3424276-mykolayiv-books-50-buses-to-transport-captive-russian-invaders.html)**
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> Mykolayiv prepares for tomorrow's defense, by booking 50 buses to transport captive Russian invaders. — Ukrinform.
They reportedly need 50 buses to transport prisoners. That’s pushing 2000 prisoners, yet the only photo we have is of 10 prisoners and no buses. Holding that many prisoners requires a lot of guards. Where are all the videos that the guards took? This would be a huge public relations opportunity for the Ukrainians, they should be blasting video of this all around the world.
> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> This is a thread about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Please get back on topic.
Thank you!
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Zelensky is asking for planes. Give him planes.
Canada has a hub in Germany, why don’t they do it? I’m pretty sure Germany has a base in Germany too. Everyone in NATO agrees the planes should go to Ukraine, sending them from Poland with Ukrainian pilots is the best way to do so. Playing a game of “who’s got the MiGs” is a pointless waste of time when everyone already knows they are coming from a NATO country. There is absolutely no plausible deniability here.
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> The airplane leasing companies are taking a bath as their assets are flying off to Russia. Aercap in Ireland, the company that has the most planes leased to Russian companies, has lost 25% of its market value.
I had no idea that so many passenger craft were leased. I guess it doesn’t make the news as much as a company/country outright buying them.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/1740 "2022-03-09T09:08:26Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#):
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> I had no idea that so many passenger craft were leased. I guess it doesn’t make the news as much as a company/country outright buying them.
If I’m not mistaken, most leased planes are older aircraft that the leasing companies buy second-hand from various airlines. It doesn’t make the news because they’re not new planes being delivered, they’re old planes changing hands.
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