# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")
Continuing the discussion from [Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) - #10091 by Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10091). Previous discussions: - [Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037) Just a reminder: [Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kedikat) has been instructed to not post in this thread. [In defence of Russia - #400](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/400) @Velocity is [banned from this thread.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2111) Ban of Velocity lifted on appeal 2023-12-19 by What Exit? [Ban of Velocity now permanent](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6513) 2023-12-21 by What Exit? **ralfy** is [banned from this thread.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3402) @Snarky_Kong [is banned from this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4481). ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2 "2022-10-29T18:06:40Z")
I’m kinda sad this is my most successful thread, in terms of replies. War is never fun for those involved, except maybe a few homocidal psychopaths out there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3 "2022-10-29T18:25:31Z")
> [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10091): > > Here’s a picture of the drone boat [posted previously](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24/960037/9333): ‘Over the counter canoe, shortened at stern’. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4 "2022-10-29T18:27:41Z")
Is that Russian? It would seem the Ukrainians need to sink ships. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5 "2022-10-29T18:42:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘Over the counter canoe, shortened at stern’. That gave me a chuckle. Maybe they should look at kayaks, they already have most of the top covered. I wondered why they didn’t use electric motors for these, but I guess they did. Not stealth by any means, but much harder to locate by sound. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6 "2022-10-29T19:17:52Z")
> [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10090): > > I would have liked to see the explosion. Did it hit anything at the end? “Where’s the ka-boom?!? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering ka-boom!” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7 "2022-10-29T19:47:55Z")
Here’s one. I wonder what that would do to a ship. > ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8 "2022-10-29T19:53:26Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I wonder what that would do to a ship. Something like this, I suppose. > **[USS Cole Bombing | Federal Bureau of Investigation](https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/uss-cole-bombing)** > > On October 12, 2000, suicide terrorists exploded a small boat alongside the USS Cole as it was refueling in the Yemeni port of Aden, killing 17 American sailors. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/9 "2022-10-29T20:44:54Z")
That was a terrorist improvised weapon against American military hardware. This is a _Ukrainian_ improvised weapon against _Russian_ military hardware, so I’m hoping for an even bigger effect. 😁 Wikipedia says the boat used in the USS _Cole_ bombing was carrying around 400 to 700 pounds (180 to 320 kg) of C4 explosives molded into a shaped charge against the hull of the boat. > The payload of a Harpoon anti-ship missile is 488 pounds (221 kg). Here’s a Harpoon missile with people for scale: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Sailors_assigned_to_the_Los_Angeles-class_fast-attack_submarine_USS_Asheville_%28SSN_758%29_lower_an_encapsulated_harpoon_loading_shape_into_the_boat_during_harpoon_shipping%2C_loading_and_handling_certification_training._%2850327126361%29.jpg/1280px-thumbnail.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Sailors_assigned_to_the_Los_Angeles-class_fast-attack_submarine_USS_Asheville_%28SSN_758%29_lower_an_encapsulated_harpoon_loading_shape_into_the_boat_during_harpoon_shipping%2C_loading_and_handling_certification_training._%2850327126361%29.jpg/1280px-thumbnail.jpg) Here’s a Mark 48 torpedo, with a payload of 647 pounds (293 kg): [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mk_48_torpedo_maintenance_1982.JPEG/1024px-Mk_48_torpedo_maintenance_1982.JPEG) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Mk_48_torpedo_maintenance_1982.JPEG/1024px-Mk_48_torpedo_maintenance_1982.JPEG) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/10 "2022-10-29T20:47:48Z")
I like the AHAMAY outboard on the Houthi one. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/11 "2022-10-29T20:52:07Z")
Mirror symmetry. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/12 "2022-10-29T21:08:41Z")
Reports of more explosions in Sevastopol tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/13 "2022-10-29T21:59:58Z")
Yeah, I know it was flipped. Still like it. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/14 "2022-10-29T23:13:57Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Reports of more explosions in Sevastopol tonight. The Russians have pulled out of the agreement on grain shipping due to the attacks on their fleet. But if the Ukrainians can take out enough of the fleet, Russia won’t be able to enforce the grain blockade anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/15 "2022-10-30T00:18:12Z")
The Black Sea Fleet is used to fire Kalibr cruise missiles at Ukraine: > [@](#): > > Russia has continued to use long-range cruise missiles fired from ships in the Black Sea to hit civilian targets in Ukraine over the last several weeks, a Pentagon spokesman told reporters on Tuesday. [https://news.usni.org/2022/10/25/russian-sea-based-kalibr-cruise-missiles-part-of-new-round-of-strikes-in-ukraine](https://news.usni.org/2022/10/25/russian-sea-based-kalibr-cruise-missiles-part-of-new-round-of-strikes-in-ukraine) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/16 "2022-10-30T01:06:09Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The Black Sea Fleet is used to fire Kalibr cruise missiles at Ukraine: Yes, this is typical of Russia, and should piss everyone off in the entire world. Russia uses it’s ships to strike Ukraine’s civilian electricity infrastructure, with the intent of causing as much suffering to civilians as possible. In a war that they started, to seize another country’s territory. And when Ukraine attacks the military targets that are firing missiles at civilian targets, what does Russia do? Threatens to cut off grain exports to civilians in other countries, where the food is much needed. Russia is a world pariah, and needs to be cut off from the entire world. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/17 "2022-10-30T14:35:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes, this is typical of Russia, and should piss everyone off in the entire world. > > Russia uses it’s ships to strike Ukraine’s civilian electricity infrastructure, with the intent of causing as much suffering to civilians as possible. In a war that they started, to seize another country’s territory. > > And when Ukraine attacks the military targets that are firing missiles at civilian targets, what does Russia do? Threatens to cut off grain exports to civilians in other countries, where the food is much needed. > > Russia is a world pariah, and needs to be cut off from the entire world. Russia, Trump, Musk, Maga, Covid-deniers, flat-earthers, etc … I really stopped caring about their communications - I found it’s simply not worth giving them precious minutes of my life. I am sure there are plenty of others who will gladly jump on their shit … so no need for me to do this ;o) ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/18 "2022-10-30T14:44:24Z")
interesting vid that gives some vision on the intensity of life in a war … > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/19 "2022-10-30T14:52:23Z")
A thread on Russia’s use of fake news: > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/20 "2022-10-30T14:57:41Z")
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