# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2057 "2023-02-04T15:42:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They probably will be, but they don’t have to be. Remember, the reason all this stuff was made was to neutralize the Russian military. Once that purpose is served, it doesn’t need to be replaced. Much of it was designed for that, but now that Russia is no longer a conventional military threat, it will be re-designated to neutralize the Chinese army. So it should and most likely will be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2058 "2023-02-04T16:04:51Z")
More about the long range missiles. > **[Ukraine war: US to provide long-range missiles in latest aid package](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64518532)** > > The fresh aid worth $2.2bn (£1.83bn) includes rockets capable of striking parts of occupied Crimea. > [@](#): > > The GLSDB also gives Ukraine forces an ability to strike anywhere in the Russian-occupied Donbas, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. It also allows Ukraine to threaten Russian supply lines in the east. > > Manufactured by Boeing and Saab, GLSDB is a gliding rocket with a small bomb attached, capable of striking a target within one metre of its position. > > And it can be fired from a variety of weapons systems, including the Himars and M270 MLRS systems already in use in Ukraine. However, both the Pentagon and Boeing refused to comment on delivery dates for the system, with some reports suggesting that it could take up to nine months before it reaches Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2059 "2023-02-04T18:12:57Z")
> [@SoToasty](#): > > it will be re-designated to neutralize the Chinese army. I can’t see us getting into a land war with China. Cyber, probably, and naval, but the logistics of getting enough AFVs across the Pacific and onto shore to be effective would be daunting at best. ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2060 "2023-02-04T18:16:37Z")
I get that it would be difficult, but if you do have a war, you eventually have to take territory. So maybe from South Korea, or India, as a jumping off point. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2061 "2023-02-04T19:43:47Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I can’t see us getting into a land war with China. Certainly not; that would be one of the classic blunders. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2062 "2023-02-04T19:44:07Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > getting enough AFVs across the Pacific and onto shore to be effective would be daunting at best. I think it would be more about defending the continental USA against invasion… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2063 "2023-02-04T20:31:13Z")
If there’s a war with China it will be about stopping invasion of Taiwan and preventing China from controlling their immediate neighbors. Success for China would be unification and maybe getting the US out of Japan/Philippines/SK. I don’t think invasion of the US would come into it at all. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2064 "2023-02-04T20:50:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think it would be more about defending the continental USA against invasion… Even more daunting. Does the PLA have _any_ experience conducting a massive amphibious operation? Even the US’ last real operation was Inchon – a bunch of Marines were used as a distraction in Kuwait but never left their ships. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2065 "2023-02-04T21:25:18Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Does the PLA have _any_ experience conducting a massive amphibious operation? Amphibious? The Chinese don’t need ships: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0dVu2KLtEYA/hqdefault.jpg "Battle Beneath the Earth (1967) Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dVu2KLtEYA) ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2066 "2023-02-05T05:16:46Z")
> **off topic hidden** > > You all should chill out and stop jerking off at the idea of ww3 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2067 "2023-02-05T06:07:56Z")
Moderating: > [@WellHelloThere](#): > > You all should chill out and stop jerking off at the idea of ww3. This is the breaking news threads. It’s not the “insult other posters” thread. Please leave this thread until the mods have time to discuss this post. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2068 "2023-02-05T14:42:40Z")
29 old tanks. Hope they’re better than the Soviet from the same era. > **[Germany approves Leopard 1 battle tank exports to Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/03/ukraine-germany-leopard-1-battle-tank-exports)** > > Package of 29 older tanks could be sent to help fight Russia as soon as refurbishments done, reports say > [@](#): > > A spokesperson said on Friday that Olaf Scholz’s government had granted an export licence for the German-made tanks first produced in the 1960s and replaced within Germany’s own military by Leopard 2 tanks in 2003. Further details would be provided in the coming days and weeks, they said. > > The news magazine Der Spiegel said the package contained 29 Leopard 1 battle tanks that were being refurbished by two manufacturers. Deliveries of the tanks from the industrial stocks could be made as soon as they were repaired, said Süddeutsche Zeitung, which first reported the plan on Friday morning. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2069 "2023-02-05T16:12:38Z")
The upcoming 2nd year of war will be much harder for Ukraine. Russian troops are getting battle experience and correcting mistakes. Ukraine needs NATO tanks ASAP. The shit will hit the fan in a few weeks. link [Ukraine war: Russian threat growing, front line troops fear](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64455123) > [@](#): > > But after several weeks travelling across the region, and more than a dozen on-the-record interviews and frank off-the-record discussions with a broad range of Ukrainian soldiers, I have seen various themes emerging. > > For weeks, Russia’s notorious mercenary group Wagner has led much of the fighting around Bakhmut, sustaining catastrophic numbers of casualties by launching near-suicidal mass infantry attacks on smaller towns like Soledar. But in recent days, according to some Ukrainian soldiers, Russia’s regular army has resumed a more prominent role, with noticeable effect. > > “It is very hard for us now. We understand that Russia is learning every day and changing their strategy. And I think we need to learn faster,” said Dmytro Podvorchanskyi, who heads a reconnaissance unit in Dnipro-1. > > He and others spoke of the way well-equipped regular Russian forces were now hiding and dispersing their ammunition stores far better and targeting Ukrainian logistics routes more effectively. As a result, they are continuing to gain ground around Bakhmut and threatening another potentially significant town, Vuhledar, further south ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2070 "2023-02-06T14:11:19Z")
It’s much easier to say you’ll donate to a cause. 😉 Now these countries have to swallow hard and actually reduce their inventory of tanks Guardian feed > [@](#): > > **Germany** ’s plan to quickly assemble two battalions of Leopard 2 tanks from European allies and send them to [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) is progressing slower than expected, as several states have yet to decide whether they can spare vehicles from their own stocks. > > In [Europe](https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news), other than Berlin, only **Poland** and **Portugal** have so far made concrete promises to contribute Leopard 2 tanks. Ukrainian soldiers are supposed to start being trained on Leopard 2 tanks in Germany and Poland from this week. > > Other states appear to be prevaricating over whether to contribute as they consider the gaps the donated tanks would leave in their own defence. > > The **Netherlands,** which doesn’t own any Leopards but leases 18 of the tanks from Germany, last said a decision to donate some of them to Ukraine had not yet been made, “but we certainly do not rule it out”. > > **Sweden** has yet to reach a decision on the issue as its own Nato application hangs in a precarious balance due to **Turkey** ’s ongoing threat of a veto. **Finland,** meanwhile, has decided that it needs its Leopards to defend its own border with [Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia), German magazine Der Spiegel claimed over the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2071 "2023-02-06T19:44:54Z")
Referring to the earlier link about a Ukrainian being castrated-tortured because he was a sniper - are snipers in the “likelier to be abused if a POW” category? I read that bomber pilots and flamethrower operators in WW2 were apparently also in the highly-likely-to-be-brutalized-as-POWs category. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2072 "2023-02-06T19:57:03Z")
Bomber crew are certainly in danger because they will be caught by the guy who’s Mama that just killed. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2073 "2023-02-06T20:34:01Z")
I recall a USAF training manual that said something like “It is generally ill-advised to eject over the area you just bombed.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2074 "2023-02-07T08:40:27Z")
> **[The U.S. effort to arm Ukraine starts in Scranton, Pennsylvania](https://www.grid.news/story/global/2023/02/06/the-us-effort-to-arm-ukraine-starts-in-scranton-pennsylvania/)** > > The war in Ukraine has led to a huge surge in U.S. ammunition production ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2075 "2023-02-07T10:31:24Z")
Dunder Mifflin is branching out, I see. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2076 "2023-02-07T12:40:29Z")
Modding again, please avoid bare links. At least let people know it is about production of artillery shells. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=104)