# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2259 "2023-02-17T02:44:21Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > If the Russian army worked as well as the Defenestration Ministry, they would have won the war in a week. Defenestration seems to have a 100% kill rate. Perhaps they receive a radioactive pellet to the back of the head before being forcibly defenestrated… ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2260 "2023-02-17T04:27:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And if you’re keeping your air force away from a war so you don’t lose them, how is that any different from having already lost them? Well, there’s the fraction of the air fleet you have to protect because they’re committed to your World War III strategic strike plan. That would be most of the bombers, although up to now some of these appear to have been used to launch long-range conventional cruise missile strikes on Ukraine. But operating safely within the friendly confines of Russian or Belorussian airspace. And then the rest, you tell yourself you’re holding those as an exploitation reserve when the momentum shifts and the air defense environment isn’t so unpleasant. So, perhaps never realistically. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2261 "2023-02-17T06:20:19Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Defenestration seems to have a 100% kill rate. These days, it seems. But if you go back to [1618, not so much](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague#The_1618_Defenestration_of_Prague). ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2262 "2023-02-17T06:23:46Z")
Plus, we have no statistics on the number of folks they’ve unsuccessfully tried to push out of a window. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2263 "2023-02-17T07:37:00Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > their offensives are not going anywhere, they lost 1000 “elite” troops in 2 days worth of attacks in Vuledar … I am not sure what makes them elite, though … I think that was a reference to the 155th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade. That unit was elite at the beginning of the war, but had had a considerable number of casualties in previous battles, which were replaced by new recruits. So it probably wasn’t really an elite unit anymore. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2264 "2023-02-17T08:12:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ISTR the British kept their battleships in harbour, so as not to risk them. WWI, after the Battle of Jutland? I don’t remember. Both sides declined a confrontation with the other with their main fleets, actually. > The German fleet would only sortie into the North Sea thrice more, with a [raid on 19 August](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_19_August_1916), one in October 1916, and another in April 1918. All three were unopposed by [capital ships](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ships) and quickly aborted as neither side was prepared to take the risks of mines and [submarines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines). > > Apart from these three abortive operations the High Seas Fleet – unwilling to risk another encounter with the British fleet – confined its activities to the Baltic Sea for the remainder of the war. Jellicoe issued an order prohibiting the Grand Fleet from steaming south of the line of Horns Reef owing to the threat of mines and U-boats.[[132]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland#cite_note-133) A German naval expert, writing publicly about Jutland in November 1918, commented, “Our Fleet losses were severe. On 1 June 1916, it was clear to every thinking person that this battle must, and would be, the last one”.[[133]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland#cite_note-134) > > There is also significant support for viewing the battle as a German tactical victory, due to the much higher losses sustained by the British.[[134]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland#cite_note-135) The Germans declared a great victory immediately afterwards, while the British by contrast had only reported short and simple results. In response to public outrage, the First Lord of the Admiralty [Arthur Balfour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour) asked [Winston Churchill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill) to write a second report that was more positive and detailed.[[135]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland#cite_note-136) [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland#Outcome) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2265 "2023-02-17T09:26:51Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > After all, they only started this “special operation” to get rid of the Nazis. And look! No Nazis! They’re certainly reducing the number of Russian Nazis rapidly, given the Wagner group losses. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2266 "2023-02-17T18:04:14Z")
Latest on “Is Putin ill?” watch: > ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2267 "2023-02-17T18:12:42Z")
Signaling who is next to be definistrated? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2268 "2023-02-17T18:17:38Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > If the Russian army worked as well as the Defenestration Ministry, they would have won the war in a week. Defenestration seems to have a 100% kill rate. Well, now, don’t jump to conclusions; we have no reports on the number of dents in the walls on either side of the windows. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2269 "2023-02-17T18:27:23Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Well, now, don’t jump … AFAWCT, there is no jumping involved. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2270 "2023-02-17T18:48:43Z")
“Intelligent Falling”. According to evangelical scientists as opposed to gravity as the culprit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2271 "2023-02-17T20:44:18Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > After all, they only started this “special operation” to get rid of the Nazis. And look! No Nazis! Except Putin…well, he is a fascist, not a Nazi, but those are pretty damn close. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2272 "2023-02-17T21:23:47Z")
Those are… not… happy feet. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2273 "2023-02-17T21:24:25Z")
P’rhaps he’s got a full bladder? ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2274 "2023-02-17T21:25:18Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > But if you go back to [1618, not so much](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague#The_1618_Defenestration_of_Prague) How the heck do three people survive a 70 foot drop? That’s some shoddy defenestration, almost gives it a bad name. > [@dtilque](#): > > That unit was elite at the beginning of the war, but had had a considerable number of casualties in previous battles, which were replaced by new recruits. So it probably wasn’t really an elite unit anymore. That’s the correct unit, I hadn’t realized they had already had a lot of previous casualties. > [@Gyrate](#): > > They’re certainly reducing the number of Russian Nazis rapidly, given the Wagner group losses. I think that may be one of those irony things I hear about. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Latest on “Is Putin ill?” watch: > > [https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko\_en/status/1626628669476114432](https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1626628669476114432) Wow, I wonder if he was like that for the whole meeting. I know that some medical problems, like Parkinson’s, are helped by moving your legs around a bit before standing to walk. Holy crap, it’s like he’s a tap dance solo. > [@Horatius](#): > > Well, now, don’t jump to conclusions; we have no reports on the number of dents in the walls on either side of the windows. Those are just practice runs so they don’t count. Builds up the fear a bit if you fake throwing them thru the window a couple of times. An article about the efforts to produce enough ammo to keep up with Ukrainian needs: > **[Ukraine is burning through ammunition faster than the US and NATO can produce...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/us-weapons-factories-ukraine-ammunition/index.html)** > > Inside a sprawling factory just off the President Biden Expressway in downtown Scranton, Pennsylvania, the future arsenal of Ukraine’s war effort is being forged, one red hot artillery shell at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2275 "2023-02-17T21:27:22Z")
What Russian reconnaissance doing? > I’m not sure how this Russian AFV came to be driving along parallel to a Ukrainian trench just 20 m away. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2276 "2023-02-17T23:27:03Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > How the heck do three people survive a 70 foot drop? That’s some shoddy defenestration, almost gives it a bad name. I hold to the “pile of shit” theory myself. Speaking of Putin… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2277 "2023-02-18T00:07:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > P’rhaps he’s got a full bladder? I’m thinking he has the “It’s a Small World After All” as an ear worm. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2278 "2023-02-18T01:32:55Z")
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