# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 123
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2493 "2023-02-26T01:14:44Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Russia shows how classy they are again by interrupting a minute of silence for Ukrainian victims of the war by insisting it include Russians also. I would have asked for a third minute of silence for future Russian soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2494 "2023-02-26T01:18:48Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I would have asked for a third minute of silence for future Russian soldiers. I like this one. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2495 "2023-02-26T01:56:16Z")
[Igor Girkin says Russia needs a Chinese ā€œlend-leaseā€ if itā€™s to continue fighting in Ukraine ā€œwith any level of successā€](https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1629433899326603264) _He complains that Russian generals led by the ā€œcretinā€ Gerasimov are burning through armour at a rate that Russian defence plants canā€™t withstand._ If true, when the newly acquired hardware is fielded by Ukraine, the war is going to progress very fast. Zelinskyy has already stated the he thinks whey can win this year. Should be an interesting spring and Summer. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2496 "2023-02-26T02:09:33Z")
It amazes me that Girkin hasnā€™t fallen out a window yet. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2497 "2023-02-26T02:13:26Z")
Iā€™m guessing that he knows that old trick and is sticking to the ground floor and turning down any offers of tea. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2498 "2023-02-26T03:03:18Z")
according to the formerly somewhat well respected Seymour Hersch, [Russia has yet to put any of their _main_ forces in](https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1628894592253804547?s=20) ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2499 "2023-02-26T03:16:57Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > _complains that Russian generals ā€¦ > are burning through armour at a rate that Russian defence plants canā€™t withstand._ > > If true, when the newly acquired hardware is fielded by Ukraine, the war is going to progress very fast. Ukraine and all its allies are also burning through ammunition at rates that their defence industries canā€™t withstand. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2500 "2023-02-26T03:20:22Z")
True. But I am optimistic about the west solving this problem first. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2501 "2023-02-26T03:42:16Z")
Reminds me of that old Rocky and Bullwinkle skit: - Nothing up my sleeveā€¦ - Presto! Funny. Even back then the bad guys (Boris and Natasha) were Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2502 "2023-02-26T04:02:43Z")
[Russian Troops Given Unusable Shells as Ammunition Shortage Hits (newsweek.com)](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-troops-soldiers-given-unusuable-shells-ammunition-shortage-ukraine-1783612) When one side runs out of ammo, the battle lines can change quite quickly. Particularly if that side is already suffering from low morale. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2503 "2023-02-26T04:12:20Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > Even back then the bad guys (Boris and Natasha) were Russians. technically, they were from Pottsylvania ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2504 "2023-02-26T05:51:17Z")
The refurbished from storage T-62s and upgraded T-72Bs are being sent to the front with ancient optics - thermal sights from the middle 80s. Western tanks and APCs (Bradley Fighting Vehicles and the Swedish model CV 90 **outrange** the Russian tanks 3000 meters to 500 meters. The same shooting gallery as in Desert Storm and Iraq II. > **[Ukraine Situation Report: Russian Tanks Reverting To Cold War Thermal Sights](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-russian-tanks-reverting-to-cold-war-thermal-sights)** > > A near-antique Russian T-62M was seen sporting a decades-old thermal sight as Russian forces scrape the barrel for capable armored vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2505 "2023-02-26T05:54:13Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > according to the formerly somewhat well respected Seymour Hersch, [Russia has yet to put any of their _main_ forces in](https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1628894592253804547?s=20) Similar disease to Bruce Willis Iā€™m guessing. Or straight out creeping dementia - dude hasnā€™t been right for the last two decades. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2506 "2023-02-26T08:20:34Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > **outrange** the Russian tanks 3000 meters to 500 meters. The same shooting gallery as in Desert Storm and Iraq II But how many tanks does each side have? Desert Storm was over in a couple weeks. This is going to take a year or more, even if Ukraine does eventually win, and that is not assured. From what Iā€™ve seen,Ukraine is only receiving a few dozen tanks being sent from a couple European countries. With a battle front thatā€™s 400 miles long., it is not going to be like Desert Storm. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2507 "2023-02-26T12:32:07Z")
Ukraine is fielding inflatable HIMARS decoys to draw Russian missile attacks. The decoys are made in the Czech Republic, which supplies thirty five of the inflatable rocket launchers per month. > **[Ukraine Is ā€˜Guzzlingā€™ Russiaā€™s Precision-Guided Missiles; Experts Say Moscow...](https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-is-guzzling-russias-inventory-of-precision-guided-missiles/)** > > On the eve of the first anniversary of the Ukraine war, a video showing a Czech company producing inflatables of High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) for Ukraine has gone viral on social media. A video published by Czech Television revealed... ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2508 "2023-02-26T18:46:34Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > With a battle front thatā€™s 400 miles long., it is not going to be like Desert Storm. The attacks arenā€™t on a front this large. Intelligence will determine a soft spot ( lightly defended, new conscripts, active partisans operating in the rear ā€¦); the armor, IFVs will punch through and roll up rear echelon forces and flanks. A rout ensues (thatā€™s the plan) and your forces capture land, equipment, prisoners. This to the extent of exhaustion of your own troops and supplies. This will happen at a single point or involve multiple actions and feints. Armor forces are nearly equal with all the russian losses. They are also spread out over the same front. A major breakthrough with combined motivated forces is what current Ukrainian training emphasizes. You should read up on the tactics Ukrainians used in the successful rout in the northeast earlier. Not so much armor, but intelligence factors and speed/mobility. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2509 "2023-02-26T18:53:14Z")
Add in internal lines, effective communications and motivated forces. Plus HIMARS. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2510 "2023-02-26T19:11:40Z")
What the heck is that article? Itā€™s supposedly about a video about the inflatables going viral, and it doesnā€™t have a link to the video, and a story about a Czech company supplying Ukraine for a war against Russia is in the ā€œAmericasā€ section of the site. And one of the other featured articles on that site is about ā€œZelenskyy risking nuclear Armageddon to satisfy his ambitionā€. > [@smithsb](#): > > A rout ensues (thatā€™s the plan) And then the enemy, in blue, will undoubtedly pursue, for thatā€™s what you depend upon an enemy to do. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2511 "2023-02-26T20:10:20Z")
The link in the article is to a Twitter post: > ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2512 "2023-02-26T21:22:00Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Ukraine and all its allies are also burning through > ammunition at rates that their defence industries canā€™t withstand. During WW2, the USA made 47billion rounds and something on the order of 8 million tons of artillery shells. In Four years. If we want to , we can make all the ammo Ukraine could ever possibly use, and still have huge piles in the USA. That is just the USA. We are expanding our munitions production, and can make as many as needed. As was linked before- _To meet that demand, the Scranton plant is undergoing a massive expansion, fueled by millions of dollars in new defense spending from the Pentagon. Itā€™s investing in new high-tech machinery, hiring a few dozen additional workers and will eventually shift to a 24/7 schedule of constant production._ _The Army is planning a 500% increase in artillery shell production, from 15,000 a month to 70,000, according to Army acquisition chief Doug Bush. Much of that increase will be fulfilled by the Scranton plant, which makes a large share of the countryā€™s supply of artillery shells._ _Across the US, munitions factories are increasing production as fast as possible. A Lockheed Martin plant in Camden, Arkansas, is cranking out a series of rockets and missiles, including those used by the Armyā€™s Patriot missile system ā€“ all of which are in high demand in Ukraine. Bush told reporters in January that the Army was standing up a new plant in Garland, Texas to make artillery shells, while an existing plant is being expanded in Middletown, Iowa that loads, packs and assembles 155 millimeter shells._ As was said before in WW2; [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9HfKnkqJPOA/hqdefault.jpg "1941 Dick Robertson - We Did It Before (And We Can Do It Again)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HfKnkqJPOA) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=124)