# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2935 "2023-03-15T04:01:56Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > not intentional, but just bad piloting These aren’t mutually exclusive. But I guess it’s important to emphasize that this isn’t Maverickski and his superior mad skillz, it’s just a dumb stick-jock playing stupid games and getting lucky enough to avoid winning stupid prizes right away. I personally hope his crew chief tore him a new one when he landed, but I don’t think Russia has the tradition of an NCO corps that pilots should be rightfully afraid of. Another clear sign of the absolute benightedness of the Russian military culture. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2936 "2023-03-15T05:30:30Z")
I dare say, the real story here is that the Russian air force prefers playing footsie with unarmed surveillance drones in international air space over actual combat in a battle zone, where they are actually needed. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2937 "2023-03-15T07:42:54Z")
Denys explains Turkish Air Traffic Control would have been communicating with the remote drone pilot. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CLYVqPJ8YQ0/maxresdefault.jpg "Update from Ukraine | USA lost the Drone | Ruzzia wants escalation and pushes on Bakhmut") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLYVqPJ8YQ0) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2938 "2023-03-15T07:54:43Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I dare say, the real story here is that the Russian air force prefers playing footsie with unarmed surveillance drones in international air space over actual combat in a battle zone, where they are actually needed. Honestly, given the choice, so would I. Drones don’t shoot back. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2939 "2023-03-15T11:52:54Z")
However, it doesn’t sound like Russia has the luxury of allowing pilots to dick around with expensive aircraft at a time when replacement parts may be in short supply. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2940 "2023-03-15T12:45:12Z")
What would have been great is if the drone operator had managed to recover and ram the Russian plane. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2941 "2023-03-15T12:57:50Z")
Iran captured a US drone and began making some that looked like it. Since then, I would have thought they would be booby trapped against monkeying with one. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2942 "2023-03-15T13:35:40Z")
Saw a two minute news video segment this morning where they explained how they’re able to ‘zero-ize’ the electronic info on this downed drone. [Retired col. explains how US can prevent Russia from gathering intel from drone | Watch (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/retired-col-explains-how-us-can-prevent-russia-from-gathering-intel-from-drone/vi-AA18EWmT?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=2584d434a15e49a2b7a76c199f66eebf&ei=129) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2943 "2023-03-15T14:59:51Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2944 "2023-03-15T16:24:32Z")
Russian bandits [will attempt to grab](https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-15-23/h_d9b3da25e71b931319e9b8293b822d2a) ill-gotten loot: > [@](#): > > The Russian Security Council Secretary and the former chief of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) Nikolai Patrushev said on Wednesday that Russia will try to get the wreckage of an American MQ-9 drone that fell into the Black Sea in order to study it. > > “I don’t know if we will be able to get it or not, but we need to do it … And we will definitely look into it,” said Patrushev said on Russian state TV Rossiya 1. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2945 "2023-03-15T16:46:15Z")
Amusing to see them waste their effort to retrieve something that will have zero intelligence value, since without the electronics intact it’s just another large drone. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2946 "2023-03-15T16:46:53Z")
Well, it will keep them busy for a while. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2947 "2023-03-15T16:49:03Z")
Sounds like a setup for another episode of _Zelenskyy’s Zeroes_… ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2948 "2023-03-15T17:20:44Z")
[Ask and ye shall be answered](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zelenskyys-zeroes-the-sitcom/975330/130)… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2949 "2023-03-15T17:24:10Z")
I’m sure there is a lot of top secret stuff about our drones known only to our military and the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2950 "2023-03-15T18:12:09Z")
> **[Ukraine says it shot down a Russian supersonic bomber over the war's...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-shot-down-russian-153021392.html)** > > Footage shared by Ukrainian officials appears to show the flaming aftermath and pilot ejection from a Russian Soviet-era Su-24 bomber, near Bakhmut. > Ukrainian forces took down a Russian Su-24 supersonic bomber near Bakhmut, according to its officials. > > [Footage shared Wednesday by Andriy Yermak](https://t.me/ermaka2022/2224), the head of Ukraine’s presidential office, showed a huge, flaming smoke plume and what appears to an ejected pilot floating to the ground. > > Yarmik posted an edited version of the footage which magnified the parachute. > > Later in the clip a number of missiles then appear to be shot from the pilot’s landing location. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2951 "2023-03-15T18:51:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Later in the clip a number of missiles then appear to be shot from the pilot’s landing location. Flares, surely. Not missiles. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2952 "2023-03-15T19:28:21Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Saw a two minute news video segment this morning where they explained how they’re able to ‘zero-ize’ the electronic info on this downed drone. That’s not really what I would worry about them getting. I was thinking more that the could salvage the drone and learn how it was built and operated. We could get the same data just by flying another drone over the same area. However, I think Russia’s drone recovery ability will be sorely lacking. While I think the downing may well have been an accident, I don’t think his theory is the most likely. For the propeller to make contact while the jet was above it and allowing it to pass, the jet would have needed to lose altitude at just the right time to hit the prop because the tail sections of the drone are higher than the prop. If the idea was to disable the prop, coming from behind is better because there is nothing in the way. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2953 "2023-03-15T19:42:15Z")
Do pilots typically land so close to the crash site? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2954 "2023-03-15T19:45:29Z")
Depends on the altitude they ejected at and the wind speed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=146)