# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 148
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2995 "2023-03-16T22:53:47Z")
Also wasn’t that the point of Trump’s win in 2016 and then all the machinations since then regarding us? ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2996 "2023-03-16T22:58:03Z")
The BBC published quite an insightful report from the frontlines in Bakhmut today: > **[Bakhmut: Russian casualties mount but tactics evolve](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64955537)** > > The BBC has been given access to positions held by Ukrainian army brigades defending Bakhmut's southern flank. > …on a chalk hillside to the south, there is the anti-tank group from the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade. 3Storm - as they are known - are unyielding. > > “They cannot get to us, we can see for a kilometre in all directions,” says a bearded 26-year-old soldier who goes by the call sign “Dwarf”, pointing out Russian positions. “We can hit the enemy with everything we have,” he says. > “I was wondering, myself, if we should keep defending Bakhmut. On the one hand what’s happening here now is awful. There are no words to describe it. But the alternative is we give up Bakhmut and move to another settlement. What’s the difference between defending Bakhmut or any other village?” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2997 "2023-03-16T23:20:38Z")
[Russia attacks US Drone.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/europe/reaper-drone-russia-us-ukraine-explainer-intl/index.html). I wonder if igniter boxes could be attached to the drones. Image a video showing a Russian plane with it’s own fuel ignited. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2998 "2023-03-16T23:45:25Z")
I was too, and I agree with @Walken_After_Midnight’s interpretation. Perhaps it was written by someone who’s first language isn’t English? Seems like they were going for “Despite the threat, security forces have it under control.” The way it’s written it says “despite the warning.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/2999 "2023-03-16T23:52:05Z")
For reference, [al Jaz wrote a bit about Moldovan Transnistra](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/26/five-things-to-know-about-russian-backed-transnistria), a narrow strip of effectively Russian-controlled territory bordering western Ukraine. Having a full grip on Ukraine would have made it easier to push into Moldova, but it is not entirely beyond the pale that Moscow could, theoretically, gain full sway over it even as things are. Moscow seems to take the position that, if there are Russians living in a place, Russia should be in control of that place. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3000 "2023-03-17T00:05:25Z")
True. > **[Russian irredentism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_irredentism)** > > Russian irredentism refers to irredentist claims to parts of the former Russian Empire or the former Soviet Union made for Russia. It seeks to incorporate Russians outside of Russian borders into the current Russian state. > The 2014 annexation of Crimea and the 2022 annexation of Southern and Eastern Ukraine are described as an example of irredentist policy. > Russian irredentists seek to annex parts of the "near abroad", such as the Baltic states, with the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine describ... ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3001 "2023-03-17T07:32:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Moscow seems to take the position that, if there are Russians living in a place, Russia should be in control of that place. There’s a solution to that. It seems to be the go-to for every despot ever. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3002 "2023-03-17T07:47:24Z")
Well, yes, of course. That sort of nationalism was what lay behind the disputes and wars following the decline/collapse of the Ottoman/Austro-Hungarian/Russian/German empires, and what the post-1945 settlements and agreements were intended to draw a line under. If the Russian irredentists get their way and all that’s torn up, what’s to stop (for example) their Hungarian equivalents, or any others across east and central Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3003 "2023-03-17T12:03:49Z")
Well, if we go that route, it’s all Mongolia, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3004 "2023-03-17T12:08:58Z")
[Slovakia has also agreed to send jets (in fact, their whole air force, it seems) to Ukraine.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64988504) Of course, Russia has promised to destroy them. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3005 "2023-03-17T12:59:01Z")
Given how diligently Russian government has been destroying its own forces I have no doubt they will try. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3006 "2023-03-17T13:48:26Z")
Criminal nation rewards bandits of international airspace: > ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3007 "2023-03-17T14:52:01Z")
How brave of them to win a dogfight against an unarmed prop-driven surveillance drone! I guess there will also be medals for the dudes who pushed the button launching cruise missiles against apartment buildings and hospitals. Brave soldiers! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3008 "2023-03-17T15:00:09Z")
So, wait. It was accidental and the pilots get medals? How much valor is there in knocking down an unarmed drone, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3009 "2023-03-17T15:03:40Z")
They pin it next to their “stole food from a farmer’s cottage” medal. And just under the “Sent a stolen washing machine home to wife” medal. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3010 "2023-03-17T15:11:30Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > It was accidental and the pilots get medals? It’s likely the only kill the Russian Air Force has gotten in the last several months. You celebrate what you have. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3011 "2023-03-17T15:12:14Z")
Participation trophies still count. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3012 "2023-03-17T15:32:59Z")
[Putin wanted](https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-17-23/h_bc63bc10f78dc1d2d7b3df7144d61dd2), dead or alive: > [@](#): > > ICC issues arrest warrant for Putin and Russian official tied to alleged deportation of Ukrainian children > > The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, it announced in a news release on Friday. > > Lvova-Belova is the Russian official at the center of the alleged scheme to forcibly deport thousands of Ukrainian children to Russia. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3013 "2023-03-17T15:53:49Z")
It’s either that, or give them medals for landing the airplane without damaging it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3014 "2023-03-17T15:55:43Z")
**Something** impacted the prop of the drone. I doubt that plane landed with “no damage.” Maybe just some gouged up belly panels, but the impact certainly left a scar of some sort. Although probably less damage than usual, given the stellar reputation and skills of Russian pilots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=147) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=149)