# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3355 "2023-04-02T17:05:14Z")
Hmmm. Critic of how the war was being conducted. (Edit: Or big supporter? being reported differently in different places) At least he did not fall out of a window. Putin’s goons are getting more creative. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3356 "2023-04-02T17:08:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Hmmm. Critic of how the war was being conducted. (Edit: Or big supporter? being reported differently in different places) From what I can gather he supported the war, but not the results the Russian military has achieved. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3357 "2023-04-02T17:28:54Z")
Irony, of a sort, > > > Rebecca Barth @barthreb Digging trenches. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3358 "2023-04-02T19:47:14Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > From what I can gather he supported the war, but not the results the Russian military has achieved. In the Beeb article: > He had reported from the Ukraine front line and gained particular notoriety last year after posting a video filmed inside the Kremlin in which he said: “We will defeat everyone, we will kill everyone, we will rob everyone as necessary. Just as we like it.” Sounds like a real peach. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3359 "2023-04-02T20:28:39Z")
Wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3360 "2023-04-03T03:31:27Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Sounds like a real peach. and then some. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3361 "2023-04-03T03:49:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@Cardigan](#): > > > > Does it seem to anyone else that Ukraine is trying as hard as they can to draw as many Russian forces into Bakhmut as they possibly can? This headline says it all. > > I’ve suspected for months that Bakhmut is a giant booby trap, and they’re trying to get as many Russians into it as possible before triggering it. The “problem” is just that no Russians are able to get in. There is precedent for that. Japan traditionally practiced an entirely different philosophy of defensive fortifications then the West did. In the West the point of a castle was to be as absolutely inviolable as possible. In Japan, the point was to make attack seem inviting while luring the assailants into carefully prepared kill zones. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3362 "2023-04-03T06:09:43Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > Sounds like a real peach. > > and then some. or, cobbler ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3363 "2023-04-03T08:03:44Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Remember that bridge to Crimea that got blown up? [Did you know they made a rom-com TV series about it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crimean_Bridge._Made_with_Love!)? I know it’s not breaking news but it’s just too surreal not to share. Yes, [John Oliver did a whole bit on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4veQW4ZWT4). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3364 "2023-04-03T09:15:12Z")
Yeah, that’s where I first heard about it. Dumb of me not to assume the Dope was familiar with it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3365 "2023-04-03T11:12:07Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > A Russian military blogger was killed in a bombing today in a St. Petersburg cafe. The bomb is reported to have been inside a statue given to him as a gift. And now they’ve arrested a young female Russian antiwar activist for the blast. Two birds with one stone for the FSB. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3366 "2023-04-03T12:42:13Z")
Watched a video this morning showing a large building in Bakhmut that Ukrainians ‘retreated’ from and abandoned. In fact, the entire building had been mined by the Ukrainians. They waited until the Russians moved in to occupy it and then blew it up. They’ve also done this with several other buildings where they waited for Russians to take up positions in them and then called in pre-registered artillery missions on these key buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3367 "2023-04-03T14:00:26Z")
I didn’t see this mentioned upthread: leaked FSB report details plans for “total cleansing” of Ukraine: > **[Putin wanted ‘total cleansing’ of Ukraine with ‘house-to-house terror,’...](https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/putin-wanted-total-cleansing-of-ukraine-leaked-spy-docs-show/)** > > Russian President Vladimir Putin planned a “total cleansing” of Ukraine with “house-to-house terror” to subdue its people, leaked spy documents reportedly show. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3368 "2023-04-03T14:11:38Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I didn’t see this mentioned upthread: leaked FSB report details plans for “total cleansing” of Ukraine: Not surprising at all. Which is why I don’t understand the people who want Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table. Doing so would essentially be acquiescing to their own genocide. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3369 "2023-04-03T16:10:21Z")
Putin: “I don’t understand why they won’t negotiate with us. There would be so much less bloodshed. Only Ukranian blood.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3370 "2023-04-03T17:54:16Z")
Seems like a slam dunk on Trepova. She made the sacrifice to take this guy out. > [@](#): > > Trepova had apparently spoken with Tatarsky prior to the explosion, the Associated Press reported. One witness said the woman told Tatarsky she had made a bust of the blogger but guards asked her to leave it at the door, suspecting it could be a bomb, the agency reported. They joked and laughed, and then she went to the door, grabbed the bust and presented it to Tatarsky, according to the AP report. > > A Ukrainian official has suggested the attack was planned internally in a dispute between pro-Kremlin groups. Russian news reports said Trepova had said that she had been “used” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3371 "2023-04-03T18:35:08Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Dumb of me not to assume the Dope was familiar with it. I had not heard of the movie until now. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3372 "2023-04-03T22:34:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Seems like a slam dunk on Trepova. She made the sacrifice to take this guy out. Doesn’t really make any sense. This guy was vile, sure, but he wasn’t of any particular importance. The Russian anti-war cause isn’t furthered in any way by murdering this guy. It’d be like an anti-Trump activist murdering [Nick Fuentes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes). My money is on the FSB. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3373 "2023-04-04T01:01:30Z")
She claims she had no idea about the bomb, that she was given the statuette to pass on to the victim. I have no more info either way, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she was telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3374 "2023-04-04T01:22:43Z")
[From BBC](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-anti-war-activist-detained-over-cafe-blast/ar-AA19p9aX) “The cafe, Street Food Bar No 1 near the River Neva, was once owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin - who runs Russia’s notorious Wagner mercenary group which has taken part in much of the fighting in Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine”. "Prigozhin paid tribute to Tatarsky in a late-night video which he declared was filmed from the town hall in Bakhmut. He displayed a flag which he said had the words “in good memory of Vladlen Tatarsky.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=165) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=167)