# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 169
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3417 "2023-04-06T22:25:24Z")
I would bet large amounts of money that it is being wargamed not only at the Pentagon and Leavenworth, but at every military academy, ROTC school and VFW post in the country. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3418 "2023-04-06T22:34:00Z")
Last year, Ukraine’s counter offensive certainly seemed extremely well prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3419 "2023-04-06T22:55:25Z")
Oh-oh: > **[Ukraine War Plans Leak Prompts Pentagon Investigation](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/us/politics/ukraine-war-plan-russia.html?unlocked_article_code=mwgkpG2O-j12wmKcg1Yg7jFn-iUS7kd_CUOv828gALQDnVRBOFLQgd43bglFKvTBxKVV7zAPxyc_fs5awCjGR_sjruWKbqsPY9on5wJ3eQ36jLYWNbsQCjOpteMH5YEoKWCTRolKPRiPbS6SEdkeWKAjFk9r88o6mN1rKH7pv4-nbITo_DRgqCMpFj0nneMGwn0FW-I95IXjlRXNJjqV1Lu_RXZIurOfhB-LNlcYkggBfgQmVtklV6Y16z624GlLj5PKZpt-JsAQK5FpHvy_qNbYGYss8iTHYa_ZWQ_iGMs4OxR8OnFTEO6APmihpG9u0kmznUcu46FLX8uYDB5iVqmSiMMDBg&smid=url-share)** > > Classified documents detailing secret American and NATO plans have appeared on Twitter and Telegram. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3420 "2023-04-06T23:22:13Z")
That sucks. Hopefully it’s US disinformation. But even if it’s not, it shouldn’t be enough to change the fundamentals of this war (which, once again, are morale and logistics). ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3421 "2023-04-06T23:35:23Z")
Wouldn’t it be smarter for Russia to use the information to spring a trap against Ukraine forces? Telling the world you know a secret isn’t good strategy. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3422 "2023-04-06T23:37:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Telling the world you know a secret isn’t good strategy. Indeed. “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3423 "2023-04-07T01:20:25Z")
Perhaps they are lying. I know every country has a plan to invade every other country. I would believe each country has a plan to intervene in other country’s wars. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3424 "2023-04-07T01:26:30Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Of course they are, but its not something you talk about. We didn’t just give them billions of dollars worth of weapons and stop there. They are taking our advice and our real time surveillance information. And we are going to let them take all of the credit, because democracy needs heros, and battles are fought on the ground. And we’re also, without a doubt, wargaming a wide variety of different situations in which it becomes necessary for NATO countries to get directly involved, and what we’ll do in those situations. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3425 "2023-04-07T18:08:10Z")
Any people responsible should be severely charged > **[Pentagon investigates reported leak of top-secret Ukraine documents](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/07/pentagon-investigates-reported-leak-of-top-secret-ukraine-documents)** > > Classified papers said to contain details of military aid and battalion strengths before potential Ukrainian counteroffensive ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3426 "2023-04-07T18:32:13Z")
NPR and the linked story believe it may be a Russian effort to distort information. Ukrainian expected losses are inflated and Russian projected losses very low. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3427 "2023-04-07T18:33:59Z")
The real thing was leaked and then Russia altered it for disinformation purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3428 "2023-04-07T19:08:39Z")
You mean the Russians are “gasp” lying? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3429 "2023-04-07T19:09:06Z")
Is exaggeration, Comrade. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3430 "2023-04-07T19:11:23Z")
Leaked to impress Facebook friends? If it were espionage, I wouldn’t think the other side would want the good guys to know they had the information. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3431 "2023-04-07T19:14:22Z")
Belllingcat has traced it to a now deleted discord server. Look at this guys posts: [https://twitter.com/AricToler](https://twitter.com/AricToler) So, still unclear what the origin or motive is. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3432 "2023-04-07T19:29:13Z")
Is not lie. Reality is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3433 "2023-04-07T19:40:47Z")
A popular belief of the proletariat. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3434 "2023-04-08T00:48:51Z")
MiG-29 Jets and a solution for the Polish Grain deal. > **[Ukraine war: Poland pledges more jets to Ukraine as Zelensky visits](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65194094)** > > The Polish president said the country also firmly supported Kyiv's bid to join Nato. > [@](#): > > Mr Zelensky addressed the grain issue during his visit, telling reporters that he expected decisions soon that would alleviate the farmers’ anger. > > “We have found a way out,” he said. “I believe that in the coming days and weeks we will finally resolve all issues as there cannot be any questions, any complications between such close partners and real friends as Poland and Ukraine.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3435 "2023-04-08T01:17:47Z")
Any peace talks [must take into account “Russian concerns.”](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/7/peace-talks-must-have-russian-interests-concerns-says-lavrov) according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3436 "2023-04-08T01:47:17Z")
Like, what, some Ukrainians yet live? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=168) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=170)