# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3480 "2023-04-12T15:17:34Z")
Outstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3481 "2023-04-12T15:26:56Z")
Died of Wounds, after several days, is more accurate. Reportedly shot in the head execution-style behind the lines with a 9mm, so probably not “in action” either. > **[Notorious Russian nationalist Igor Mangushev shot dead in Ukraine](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64566582)** > > Igor Mangushev was shot in the head and his killing sparks speculation about who was to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3482 "2023-04-12T15:32:20Z")
“Died after several days” doesn’t sound consistent with “execution style”… Surely, if you’re executing someone, you’d make sure. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3483 "2023-04-12T15:42:47Z")
From the article: > [@](#): > > Russian reports said he had been shot at close range with a 9mm bullet fired into the top of his head at an angle of 45 degrees. That sounds quite execution-style, particularly as it took place at a checkpoint in Russian-occupied territory. It appears as though the killing might have been the result of the chronic in-fighting that seems to pervade the Russian far-right: > [@](#): > > Another extreme Russian nationalist, Pavel Gubarev, said everyone knew who was behind the shooting and observed that Prigozhin had for the moment gone quiet. > > The 11-month war in Ukraine has energised the murky world of extremists in Russia and sparked rivalries between them. > > After the attack, Russia expert Mark Galeotti said it demonstrated that Russia was sliding back towards aspects of the 1990s, “when murder was a business tactic, and the lines between politics, business, crime and war became near-meaningless”. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3484 "2023-04-12T15:46:41Z")
Sounds like somebody did make sure but didn’t want to spend another bullet to speed the process. That’s some horrific stuff there. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3485 "2023-04-12T16:50:13Z")
Was it the Russians who charged relatives for the cartridges, or the North Koreans? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3486 "2023-04-12T17:00:11Z")
I thought that was the Chinese? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3487 "2023-04-12T17:41:41Z")
Perhaps so, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3488 "2023-04-12T18:33:10Z")
My wish for more infighting is finally bearing fruit. You can only fuck around with people so much before they start fucking around back. It would be great to see a bit of self rearrangement from the power players in Russia. The leak about United Arab Emirates surprises me a bit. I didn’t realize they were that close. Especially that they would have 40,000 artillery shells laying around to sell to Russia. > **[Pentagon leak is no surprise: UAE-Russia ties run deep](https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/pentagon-leak-russia-uae-no-surprise-ties-run-deep)** > > Abu Dhabi has become the most important strategic partner for Putin's regime in the Middle East and Africa ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3489 "2023-04-12T23:03:25Z")
I’m a bit surprised (and a bit skeptical) about the UAE-Russia ties. Most of the UAE armament is US or Western European (F16 fighters, Apache helicopters, Mirage fighter/bombers, Patriot missiles, LeClerc tanks). Russia has sold some stuff to them, but their main modern forces depends on Western support. Why they would be willing to imperil this (not to mention the heavy business connections in-country) does confuse me some. Still, the UAE ruling class is very Family-driven and if members of the ruling family have personal ties with Putin’s folks, that can mean a lot in that neck of the woods. IMHO as always. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3490 "2023-04-12T23:14:13Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > ’m a bit surprised (and a bit skeptical) about the UAE-Russia ties. So am I. This war has pushed Russia further and further into Iran’s camp; the Gulf states’ regional rival. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3491 "2023-04-13T01:42:27Z")
And, there is money to be made selling oil, or reselling Russian oil. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3492 "2023-04-13T12:26:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Died after several days” doesn’t sound consistent with “execution style”… Surely, if you’re executing someone, you’d make sure. Willingness to kill doesn’t always translate to skill. Maybe they had to do the hit and run, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3493 "2023-04-13T14:01:07Z")
Lots of talk this morning that the classified documents leak was an American citizen. I’m not surprised, considering that some of the material contained Secret/NORFORN. Mark Hertling has a gift link from WaPo [here.](https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1646336483324841984) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3494 "2023-04-13T14:08:52Z")
Well, since I’ve already copied the link… > **[Pentagon leaks linked to young gun enthusiast who worked at military base –...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-leaks-linked-young-gun-051038221.html)** > > Man known online as ‘OG’ is said to have access to large amounts of classified material and to regard intelligence services as repressive ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3495 "2023-04-13T14:13:57Z")
TIL. From the linked article… > The number of employees and contractors in the entire US government with top secret clearance is about 1.25 million ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3496 "2023-04-13T14:20:13Z")
I’m skeptical about that. Top Secret clearance includes a lot of delving into your personal history and background and you have to hold a position that requires your handling of such material. I don’t think we’ve done that for 1.25 million. Could be they are referencing “Secret/Confidential/FOUO” documents that are much easierr to get clearance for. Like to see some evidence for the 1.25 million Top Secret clearances. IMHO as always. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3497 "2023-04-13T14:21:00Z")
Do we have a thread specifically for the leak? I’ve searched, but not found one. I’ve heard the leak is really really bad for Ukraine and that Bakhmut is about to fall, but then I hear it may not be as harmful as they thought and the counter offensive is about to start. I know it’s normal in war, but I hate this terrible feeling of unease I have. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3498 "2023-04-13T14:50:32Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Do we have a thread specifically for the leak? I’ve searched, but not found one. Good idea, I’ve created one (linked under your post). ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3499 "2023-04-13T14:51:19Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Like to see some evidence for the 1.25 million Top Secret clearances. Here: [![](https://i.imgur.com/gXqgHwq.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/gXqgHwq.png) > **[clear-2019.pdf](https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/intel/clear-2019.pdf)** > > 3.01 MB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=171) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=173)