# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 174
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3520 "2023-04-15T10:02:03Z")
The Holocaust was pretty damn stupid. Wasted an enormous amount of resources that could have gone to the war effort. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3521 "2023-04-15T10:29:00Z")
No argument there. What I meant was that the German Army in WW2 usually fought smart - that’s what mad them so dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3522 "2023-04-15T11:53:25Z")
Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3523 "2023-04-15T12:07:40Z")
Prigozhin says it is time to declare victory and go home. From the Daily Beast: “For the authorities and for society as a whole, it is necessary today to put a decisive end to the [special military operation.] The ideal scenario is to announce the end of the [special military operation], to inform everyone that Russia has achieved the results that it planned, and in a sense we have actually achieved them. We have ground down a huge number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and we can report that the tasks of the [special military operation] have been completed,” he wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3524 "2023-04-15T12:16:37Z")
Were there any open windows around when he said that? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3525 "2023-04-15T12:33:11Z")
Age isn’t that important for rescue missions and cargo. These helicopters were very well maintained in the UK. Link [The 40-year-old British helicopter flying in Ukraine](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65242823) > [@](#): > > The answer to the choice of aircraft can also be found partly here in Ukraine. The crew are clearly passionate about their new helicopter. Co-pilot, Vasil, says the Sea King was just what Ukraine’s Navy needed - a practical, reliable aircraft that can do whatever is asked of it. > > “I like this helicopter because it is incredibly good for flying,” Vasil says. “It’s one of the best for combat operations, whether transporting equipment or carrying out search and rescue. It is easy to fly even in difficult conditions.” > > The Sea Kings are being used to pick up casualties needing urgent medical help, move special forces into position, and fetch and carry equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3526 "2023-04-15T12:34:12Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > We have ground down a huge number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine While it’s true that they’ve killed a lot of soldiers, can anyone do a nice summary of how powerful the Ukraine military is today, compared to January 2022? Manpower, equipment (both numbers and quality), training, organization, command and control, all that? I suspect it’s far superior, but don’t really have the numbers to back that up. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3527 "2023-04-15T12:39:36Z")
[CIA Factbook:](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/ukraine/#military-and-security) ### [Military and security service personnel strengths](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/military-and-security-service-personnel-strengths) up to 700,000 active-duty personnel, including the Armed Forces, Territorial Defense Forces, National Guard, and State Border Guard (July 2022) **note 1:** following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, President ZELENSKY announced a general mobilization of the country; prior to the invasion, approximately 200,000 active Armed Forces troops (125,000 Army; 25,000 Airborne/Air Assault Forces; 2,000 Special Operations Forces; 10,000 Navy; 40,000 Air Force); approximately 50,000 National Guard; approximately 40,000 State Border Guard ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3528 "2023-04-15T13:37:07Z")
Ukraine needs to follow Israel’s policy, _Israeli citizens who meet the conscription criteria are required to serve once they reach 18 years of age._ Russia will be a threat for a long time. This war may eventually end, but a new invasion will be a long standing concern. Link [Conscription in Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3529 "2023-04-15T13:40:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Ukraine needs to follow Israel’s policy, _Israeli citizens who meet the conscription criteria are required to serve once they reach 18 years of age._ Except for the ultra Orthodox. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3530 "2023-04-15T13:41:47Z")
And this is not the thread for that discussion. Start a new thread or at least drop it here. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3531 "2023-04-15T14:17:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Age isn’t that important for rescue missions and cargo. These helicopters were very well maintained in the UK. > Link [The 40-year-old British helicopter flying in Ukraine - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65242823) > One engineer, Ihor, tells me that the Sea Kings are in fact mostly new, with very little of the original helicopter remaining. That’s how aircraft need to be maintained. Most of the General Aviation fleet in this country is 50 to 60 years old. These aren’t cars. Aluminum holds up well, and every aircraft is inspected annually (or ever 100 flying hours, if used to make money) and must be kept airworthy in order to fly. And rescue/cargo helicopters are not like fighter and attack jets. Newer helicopters might be better (faster, burn less fuel, modern components), but old ones work just fine. As Ihor the Engineer says, they’re like new. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3532 "2023-04-15T19:09:43Z")
> [@aceplace57 quoting the Beeb](#): > > “I like this helicopter because it is incredibly good for flying,” Vasil says I’m guessing he’s more used to ex-Soviet helicopters. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3533 "2023-04-15T19:15:10Z")
Or the sentence was badly translated. : ) ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3534 "2023-04-15T20:54:58Z")
A couple of centuries ago, when British soldiers wore red uniforms and were expected to walk, line abreast, towards enemy guns, the sergeants and junior officers were following behind ready to shoot anyone who tried to turn back, and to push soldiers into any gaps caused by enemy fire. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3535 "2023-04-15T23:07:05Z")
Russian T-90 at Louisiana truck stop. The shipping label on the barrel says its going to the Army Aberdeen Test Center. Long trip from Ukraine to Gdynia, Poland and then the US. > **[Destination Of Russian T-90 Tank Left At Truck Stop Comes Into Focus](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/destination-of-russian-t-90-tank-left-at-truck-stop-comes-into-focus)** > > The Russian T-90A tank taken off the battlefield in Ukraine appears to be headed to the Aberdeen Test Center. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3536 "2023-04-15T23:55:06Z")
That is why non coms and officers in every army carry sidearms. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2023, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3537 "2023-04-16T04:53:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Prigozhin says it is time to declare victory and go home. > From the Daily Beast: > > “For the authorities and for society as a whole, it is necessary today to put a decisive end to the [special military operation.] The ideal scenario is to announce the end of the [special military operation], to inform everyone that Russia has achieved the results that it planned, and in a sense we have actually achieved them. We have ground down a huge number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and we can report that the tasks of the [special military operation] have been completed,” he wrote. Great idea. Then there’ll be no one to oppose Ukraine taking back their territory. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2023, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3538 "2023-04-16T04:56:54Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > The Holocaust was pretty damn stupid. Wasted an enormous amount of resources that could have gone to the war effort. > > Over in the “Nazis could have won WWII” thread there’s pretty well-sourced argument saying the opposite, the proportion of available resources that went to that was not all that great. Certainly not enough to have made a material difference . ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2023, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3539 "2023-04-16T05:27:19Z")
> **Summary** > > What about the effect of not having Jewish German scientists and tacticians helping the cause? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=173) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=175)