# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3640 "2023-04-26T13:29:53Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > how would negotiations help? Well, Putin isn’t the only Russian we could “negotiate” with. At this point, I’m really hoping the CIA, or some similar organization, is working hard to find someone, anyone, in Russia with the means and motivation to take Putin out. That would be the fastest, best way to end this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3641 "2023-04-26T13:30:54Z")
The area in question “across” the Dnipro from Kherson is comprised of large islands in a river delta. There are next to no roads. Lots of summer cottages accessible by boat only. While taking control of these islands is certainly advantageous to Ukraine in that it enables them to push Russian artillery further back, it’s not a proper bridgehead. There’s little to no likelihood that they can use it to mount attacks on the Oleshky or Hola Prystan. Useful for recon and sabotage operations, though. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3642 "2023-04-27T02:59:14Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Useful for recon and sabotage operations, though. And tying up Russian troops that could otherwise be deployed to areas more advantageous to Ukrainian counterattack. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3643 "2023-04-27T03:57:02Z")
Photos and news of Ukraine developing an automated gun turret that can be controlled by a Steam Deck (portable video game system) from up to 500m away. Note it still requires operator control, it’s not a sci-fi autogun quite yet. > **[Steam Deck Controls a Real Ukrainian Army Machine Gun Turret: Report](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/steam-deck-controls-a-real-ukrainian-army-machine-gun-turret-report)** > > Operators can monitor, aim, and fire from up to 500 meters away ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3644 "2023-04-27T04:14:02Z")
In other Ukrainian military innovation news, a new underwater maritime drone has been unveiled: > [@](#): > > The Russian Navy has a new problem in the Black Sea. Ukrainian group Brave-1 have shown their Toloka weaponized UUV (uncrewed underwater vehicle). The design is evidently intended to operate as a form of loitering torpedo. [![](https://i.imgur.com/8c8LTU2.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/8c8LTU2.jpg) [http://www.hisutton.com/New-Ukraine-Underwater-Maritime-Drone.html](http://www.hisutton.com/New-Ukraine-Underwater-Maritime-Drone.html) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3645 "2023-04-27T07:33:39Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > The only other options Ukraine has are surrender or defeat on the battlefield. > Negotiations are tantamount to surrender. Do you mean that in general–that any negotiation in any war is tantamount to surrender? Or are you saying that only about any negotiations in RUS - UKR war? ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3646 "2023-04-27T10:51:50Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Do you mean that in general–that any negotiation in any war is tantamount to surrender? > > Or are you saying that only about any negotiations in RUS - UKR war? I meant only about this particular war. I don’t see Putin accepting any kind of negotiatiated resolution. Sure, he may sign the paperwork, but he won’t stick by the terms of a treaty if it allows for an independent Ukraine. He’d just come up with another excuse to continue the war and make up some excuse to blame Ukraine for why he had to invade again. Putin won’t stop until he’s either at the NATO border or he loses on the battlefield. He’s not going to respect the terms of some print on a piece of paper, because pieces of paper don’t fight back. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3647 "2023-04-27T11:00:51Z")
[Xi and Zelenskyy had a long telephone conversation yesterday.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/26/xi-holds-first-talks-with-zelenskyy-since-russian-invasion) I bet _that_ was an interesting talk. “The Chinese president sought to reassure Ukraine that “mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity” was at the foundation of the two countries’ relationship.” ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3648 "2023-04-27T11:21:15Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > He’s not going to respect the terms of some print on a piece of paper Given the number of [pieces of paper recognising Ukraine’s sovereignty](https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/08/russias-longstanding-problem-ukraines-borders) within the 1991 frontiers he’s already torn up (including at least one signed under his authority as President), one can only agree. There is no _interlocuteur valable_ on the Russian side unless and until Putin changes 180 degrees or is replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3649 "2023-04-27T19:44:08Z")
Another Russian general [bites the dust](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-fires-butcher-of-mariupol-russian-general-mikhail-mizintsev/ar-AA1aq9XI?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f6d110e9bf594076863e8cea4fa053e6&ei=30). How many does that make now? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3650 "2023-04-27T19:59:07Z")
It encourages the others, and there are lots of colonels running around. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3651 "2023-04-27T20:16:43Z")
Fired, not defenestrated or poisoned. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3652 "2023-04-27T20:21:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > there are lots of colonels running around. Pedantry, but Colonel-General is a very senior rank roughly equivalent to a U.S. Lieutenant-General (i.e. three star), way above a mere Colonel. There aren’t a ton of them. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3653 "2023-04-27T20:42:27Z")
Yet.   ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3654 "2023-04-27T23:13:50Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > How many does that make now? His replacement comes from the National Guard pool. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3655 "2023-04-28T00:23:02Z")
Those are certainly huge explosions but is where they took place consistent with JDAM delivery? My limited understanding is that aircraft dropping these things risk being shot down if they go high enough to get any kind of decent range after release. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3656 "2023-04-28T01:12:21Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Pedantry, but Colonel-General is a very senior rank roughly equivalent to a U.S. Lieutenant-General (i.e. three star), way above a mere Colonel. There aren’t a ton of them. Humor; it is a difficult concept. = ) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3657 "2023-04-28T01:30:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Humor; it is a difficult concept. Hyoo-mer? Hmmm…I’ll check my dictionary and get back to you 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3658 "2023-04-28T02:41:39Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > aircraft dropping these things risk being shot down if they go high enough to get any kind of decent range after release. > **[Ukrainian Pilots Could Toss Their New GPS-Guided Bombs 50 Miles Behind...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/02/22/ukrainian-pilots-could-toss-their-new-gps-guided-bombs-50-miles-behind-russian-lines/?sh=5749728f4b40)** > > Flying low and fast toward the front line, a Ukrainian jet lugging a load of JDAM-ERs would pitch up and “toss” the bombs like a softball pitcher underhanding strikes. Toss bombing: fly towards your target at low altitude but high speed. Climb sharply. Release the weapon while still climbing to toss the bomb upward and forward. Nose over into a diving half Cuban Eight turn, reversing course and getting back down to safe altitude with only a moment’s exposure to enemy air defenses. Especially since with the range of a JDAM, you may not be into the enemy air defense zone at all during release. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3659 "2023-04-28T09:09:28Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Fired, not defenestrated or poisoned The link says “removed from his position”. Doesn’t say if that was on the window-sill. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=181)