# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 181
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3660 "2023-04-28T12:41:29Z")
That wasn’t a colonel. But this corrupt chucklehead is. > **[Russian army commander arrested for ‘selling tank engines’](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/27/colonel-alexander-denisov-russia-ukraine-tank-engines/)** > > Colonel Alexander Denisov is accused of stealing seven V-92S2 engines and trading them on the black market ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3661 "2023-04-28T12:54:09Z")
Only seven engines? What did they arrest him for, not being corrupt _enough?_ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3662 "2023-04-28T13:32:52Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > That wasn’t a colonel. But this corrupt chucklehead is. Paywalled. Does it say anything more than he stole seven engines on the black market? Like who he sold them to, how much he got, or other details? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3663 "2023-04-28T13:39:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Paywalled Wow, wasn’t for me, sorry. MSN work better? [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-army-commander-arrested-for-selling-tank-engines/ar-AA1arcyr](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-army-commander-arrested-for-selling-tank-engines/ar-AA1arcyr) > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Like who he sold them to Just “the black market”. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > how much he got Nope. It appears the info comes from a press announcement from the relevant military prosecutor’s office, so I would be surprised if the gory details were floated. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3664 "2023-04-28T13:40:58Z")
It’d be hilarious if it turned out the black market buyers for all this Russian military stuff were secretly working for Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3665 "2023-04-28T13:44:43Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > MSN work better? Thank you. > [@Gyrate](#): > > It’d be hilarious if it turned out the black market buyers for all this Russian military stuff were secretly working for Ukraine. The Ukrainians don’t need to buy the engines on the black market. They can just wait for the Russian tankers to deliver them. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3666 "2023-04-28T13:44:58Z")
Well, that’s weird. I pasted in an MSN link and the infobox shows the original Telegraph link. F’ing Discourse. > **[Russian army commander arrested for ‘selling tank engines’](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-army-commander-arrested-for-selling-tank-engines/ar-AA1arcyr?ocid=Peregrine)** > > Colonel Alexander Denisov is accused of stealing seven V-92S2 engines and trading them on the black market Trying it again, just in case. Now, this is nothing new. Logistics corruption has been a thorn in the Russians’ side since the outset. The fact that it’s still ongoing is a little surprising. It’s harder to get away with theft if what you’re stealing is in high demand and under scrutiny. And who buys hot tank engines? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3667 "2023-04-28T13:48:45Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Well, that’s weird. I pasted in an MSN link and the infobox shows the original Telegraph link. F’ing Discourse. I was a bit weirded out by that, but the link did work as you expected it to. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3668 "2023-04-28T13:53:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’d be hilarious if it turned out the black market buyers for all this Russian military stuff were secretly working for Ukraine. Of if they where working for the Russian military and buying them back and installing them. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3669 "2023-04-28T13:57:46Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > F’ing Discourse. Probably not Discourse, as the link takes you to the MSN URL - seems like it must be how MSN is providing a preview (and, as an aggregator, it is nice that the preview shows the actual source instead of taking credit themselves). ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3670 "2023-04-28T14:28:36Z")
Ukraine: Fighting Russian Fire with More Fire. > **[Russians trying to help the Kremlin are being scammed into throwing Molotov...](https://news.yahoo.com/russians-trying-help-kremlin-being-080124434.html)** > > Most of the would-be arsonists were senior citizens, local media reported. Some were told they were helping Russia's military with the attacks. Okay, no real evidence that the scammers are Ukrainian, but I’d be shocked if they weren’t. It’s nice to see _someone_ weaponizing the kind of scams Russia has been pulling to hurt Russia, though. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3671 "2023-04-28T17:01:08Z")
It looks like it might be a real false-flag operation. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3672 "2023-04-28T17:46:07Z")
We need a new category: scam flag attack. Given how many people world-wide fall for stupidly obvious scams like this one, I have no doubt that a few dozen elderly Russians could, and probably did fall for this. Sure, maybe a few were really anti-war, and the Russian officials are trying to spin it as, “Oh, they just fell for a scam” rather than admit the war is unpopular, but I’m sure there are some who really did fall for a scam. And this is a totally new way of waging war. If even a few of these are what they are claimed to be, then every babushka walking towards a recruiting station or police station has the potential to be a threat. That’s going to have at least some impact on the effectiveness of the recruiters and police. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3673 "2023-04-28T18:10:52Z")
Before reading the article, I was kind of impressed with the hackers not doing the usual “buy 10,000 rubles’ worth of Apple cards and send me the numbers” thing, turning their nefarious social engineering skills to good and not evil. But then I read > The caller persuaded her to send them large sums of cash, then told her to carry out the arson attempt as part of her mission, the outlet wrote. and I was less impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3674 "2023-04-28T18:24:55Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > But then I read > > > The caller persuaded her to send them large sums of cash, then told her to carry out the arson attempt as part of her mission, the outlet wrote. > > and I was less impressed. It helps if you assume they’re donating 10% of the take to Ukraine. But really, you need to figure out how stupid the person is before you try to talk them into firebombing a recruiting office, and money scams are an efficient (and profitable!) way of doing that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3675 "2023-04-28T18:27:32Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > money scams are an efficient (and profitable!) way of doing that If they fall for the scam, they are dumb enough to be talked into something else? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3676 "2023-04-28T18:31:39Z")
Yeah, pretty much. [It’s a well-known phenomenon that someone who falls for one scam will likely fall for a follow-up scam.](https://asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/articles/alert-follow-up-scams-offers-to-help-recover-lost-funds/) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3677 "2023-04-28T18:34:17Z")
“I gave him money, it stands to reason that he’s trustworthy.” = ) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3678 "2023-04-28T22:54:13Z")
It’s called throwing good money after bad. Or in this case, throwing Molotov cocktails. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/77aa72/32.png) [@Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fluffy_PickleSniffer)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3679 "2023-04-29T01:17:49Z")
[At least 25 killed in Russian air raids on Ukraine cities](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/28/at-least-25-killed-in-russian-air-raids-on-ukraine-cities) Russia going after civilians yet again. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=180) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=182)